27 thoughts on “2017 Summer Universiade Results”

1. Damn. In AA finals today Larisa scored 56.75 AA and 14 on Beam with a fall. Her d score is a 6.7, but in AA only got a 6.5.

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   • is a 6.5 not 6.7… looks promising, go lari!

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2. I find her execution terrible, so unclean. On bars, she doesn’t have some legs separation, her legs are separated. Plus, Ugly forms and toe points on floor. I know how much the gymternet loves this gymnast, but I always wonder why (OK she has a nice personnality and has been very unlucky for the Rio …).

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   • Her bars are actually pretty clean. Yes, she has a few leg splits and not every handstand is perfect, but it’s not to a terrible extent either. Her vault is powerful and clean (although I wish she’d do an Amanar, she probably could), her Beam is really difficult and done deliberately, and her floor typically has a continuous flow of movement, exuberance, emotion and is performed cleanly. This years floor routine isn’t that good in terms of performance quality, but in past years they have been. The gymternet loves her because of her personality, being stoic in competition, unofficially being the last Romanian and having great difficulty meshed with good execution and artistry.

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     • You honestly in complete consciousness look at her double especially during qualifications and think. Oh yeah totally could do an amanar? What crack are you smoking and can I have some please? 🙂

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       • In general. In 2014 and 2015 those were Amanarable doubles. This was her first competition DTY in over a year so it’s not Amanarable, but as long as she doesn’t get injured again it probably will be at some point. And if I ever happen to see you in person I can give you some of my crack.

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       • haha try saying amanarable out loud 10 times fast… my mouth got all jumbled…..

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3. No doubt she is a wonderful person, but I feel no emotion when I watch her and just see bent knees, muddled movements, and jumpiness. She has very high difficulties. I prefer easier but cleaner routines. It’s probably a question of taste ! I’m not a great fan of Romanian choreos in general, from Nadia to Larissa.

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4. Larissa apparently fell on beam as well. Without the fall, she would have matched Ragan. Things just got very interesting, folks!

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   • Ragan Smith was over scored on PG Champ especially on beam.. i dont think shes the one to watch, but u never know:)

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     • Literally everyone has been overscored at almost every meet this year. It evens out. If I see one more non-judge talk about “overscoring” I’m going to burn gymnastics to the ground.

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       • you can’t compare an international meeting with pg champ, i don’t see why u get so irritated when we are talking about american gymnasts lol i don’t think everyone was been overscored, is just your opinion.

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       • Did you watch Reykjavik? Did you watch Russian nationals? Did you watch British nationals? Did you watch any meet in Italy (Jesolo, any of the Serie A meets, etc)? Did you watch Asian Championships? Seriously, aside from some of the world cups and Euros, almost every meet this year has been overscored. As a whole, the Americans were more overscored at Jesolo than they were at nationals, lmao. It’s only the people with zero knowledge of judging who see the beam routine of a top US gymnast at home and think “oh, that’s overscored!!!” Of course it’s overscored. So were a crap ton of other routines at nationals. Ragan’s should be the least of your concerns lol. But newsflash, in the past five years, the U.S. and China are the only countries that earn nearly the same scores at home as they do at worlds. Every other top country is scored FAR higher at home than internationally, and the numbers prove it. So yes, Ragan probably won’t get a 15.35 on beam as she did at classics, but she still has one of the top-scoring routines in the world. Everyone in 2012 AND 2016 said Aly’s bars were overscored at home and she went to the Olympics and got better scores on bars than she did at home both years hahahaha. So blab on and on and say the same things over and over again as much as you want, but the overscoring situation in the U.S. is nowhere near as drastic as you think it is. And if you think Ragan was overscored but Universiade wasn’t? Boy do I have a fun surprise for you. 🙂

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       • Also, FYI, I don’t get irritated when people talk about the Americans. They’re not even my favorite team, and I also think — and say — they are overscored. I get irritated because every “genius” feels the need to make the same comment repeatedly. Like, we get it? Calm down lmao. It’s annoying to sift through comments from people, mostly people without any real knowledge of the sport, all saying the same exact thing.

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       • Hallelujah! I AM SO tired of everyone claiming overscoring for every gymnast that they do not like! I’ve been following gymnastics for over 2 decades and have come to the realization that overscoring is a global thing, Universidad not an exception. Just realize that it really does even out. Chances are Ragan Smith really is the best all-around player now.

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       • Yeah, it really does even out, and it always has. That’s what people don’t get! They ONLY claim overscoring against people or teams they’re not fans of, and even though overscoring against ‘their’ team is just as bad (or worse!) they refuse to admit it.

         My favorite was Romania stans in 2012. Romania hosted a friendly meet a couple of weeks before the Olympics and got an INSANE score. The Romania stans went on and on about how all of the judges at this meet were the official Olympic judges (they weren’t lmao) and that if you compared the Romanian scores at that meet to U.S. trials and nationals scores, Romania would have a SWEEPING win over the U.S. Meanwhile the U.S. got scored almost exactly the same as they did at home, and Romania got scored way under what they had at their friendly meet, partly because of falls, but also because the E scores at this friendly meet were ridiculous and yet everyone refused to admit they were overscored. It’s the same with the Russians basically every year, where they get ridiculous scores at the Russian Cup and then their scores at worlds are nowhere close to that.

         I think there’s something psychological to overscoring routines domestically, because athletes get it in their heads that they can get a high score and it helps them compete better. The only time it’s risky is when judges give full D value when gymnasts are missing connections and not fully completing skills, because someone can think they have a 6.5 D score and they get to worlds and it’s like a 5.8, I think overall that hurts them a lot because it means they’re doing skills/connections they shouldn’t be doing and that won’t get credit internationally, but if countries want to give a couple tenths to an E score here or there, who cares? If everyone’s doing it, it really doesn’t matter.

         With meets like Universiade and Asian Championships, I think it’s more that the judges are less experienced overall, but both of these are generally pretty over the top with scores. The same goes for the smaller international invitationals where judges are mostly lower-ranked judges who wouldn’t be the top choice to bring along as your country’s international brevet judge for worlds/the Olympics, and they’re almost always too lenient. At one international meet in France they didn’t give artistry deductions to anyone, whereas at worlds judges almost always find something picky to take away for that specific deduction, in almost every routine.

         Anyway, despite all of the competitions in the world that are overscored at any point in the year, people only whine and moan over the U.S., and yet this has been the only team in the past five years that has gone out and replicated their ‘overscored’ domestic scores internationally so like…figure it out lol.

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       • Lauren, I really like it when you post the analytics of how top scores of the year, *regardless* of the meet, domestic or otherwise, are fairly accurate predictors to standings at worlds. (I think you did this after 2015 worlds, maybe even Rio??) I love to see the actual numbers; they certainly contradict much of the smack talking.

         Also, I think the more relevant talking point isn’t whose scores reflect what they would earn at worlds, rather, who is showing impressive routines with good execution and being able to hit. Let’s take a moment to enjoy the gymnastics, and see who we think are on level with each other without obsessing over scores.

         I, for one, am thrilled to see that Lari seems back in or near her top form, and hope to see her earn much success at worlds. I especially want to see her hit all of her beam routines, and medal! I am not generally a fan of Romanian gymnastics, and I can’t help but love Lari – her persistence in the sport in the face of bad injury luck leading up to two olympics, her carrying Romanian gymnastics practically single handedly for a whole quad, her high energy floor and continuously moving beam are refreshing to watch.

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       • Yes, exactly! This whole “was this overscored?!?!” obsession is insane. Larisa is fantastic, and I really hope she pulls off a win in Montreal this year, to finally get that moment she’s been working towards her entire senior career. She’s on pace to make it happen and I really hope it does! And it’s going to be incredibly fun to watch her battle Ragan, or whoever ends up being the top American come October. It’ll be a fantastic fight for gold, which is something we haven’t seen since pre-Simone!

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       • I’ve done some simuations last year (https://youtu.be/cQN99baQaqw and https://youtu.be/5RaxJ9qwN-c). And you can see how much close the US girls scored to the simulation in the games

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       • Thanks! Yes, it was very close. I remember watching Aly at nationals/trials and thinking a 14.4 on bars was high, but then she went and got a 14.7 at the Olympics! hahaha…I think some of the Olympic judging was crazier than some of the domestic judging.

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5. Oh I’m happy the home team finished 6th! Must be a real boost to be in front of the home crowd

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   • Yes! The team has been working really hard for this meet and got their best result ever! It helped having a meet like this at home because it increased their resources…just little things like getting to have GK leos and other things like that, it’s been awesome for the team and was great to see them finish 6th and for Hsiang to get into AA finals!

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6. Can we take a minute to appreciate Ellie Black’s beam mount leap combo, though? Such a smart (and unique!) way to utilize the new beam CV’s in the 2017-2020 COP!

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   • That’s a cool combo, and she executes it surprisingly well! She’s really working the new code, with that and the punch front, straddle jump, bhs combo. So few seem to be using these cv opportunities. I’m also glad to see her take out the bhs back full. It’s a gutsy move, and I love that, but I love a hit routine even more.

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7. General question – are these games for current university students? How do people train at the elite level while in college? That just seems super human to me.

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   • Not necessarily. Pauline Tratz for example hasn’t started college yet, the requirements to compete at the Universiade is to be enrolled in a university at the time of competition. So you could compete in these games in the summer between graduation and freshmen/first year of college, when you wouldn’t technically be a university student. As for how they manage elite and college, it is a huge juggle, but a lot of them have different strategies in order to balance the two. Iordache, Shelgunova, Spiridonova and a few others go to a university specifically for high level athletes, so those universities typically allow the athletes to easily accommodate training time. Some do hybrid courses, where lectures are done both online and in the classroom; so basically if a course is two days a week they may only have to come to class one day out of the week, and then the second days worth of work/notes would be done online when they can get to it. But it is a huge struggle either way.

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