19 thoughts on “2017’s Best Scores: July Update”

1. Who is the gymnast in the top photo?

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   • It’s Ragan, isn’t it?

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   • Ragan!

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     • Ah yes, when I turn my laptop upside down, I see it ha!

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2. 6596 scores, that’s crazy! This list is really cool, thanks!

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   • Thanks! Yes, 6596 score entries, and a total of over 20,000 individual scores (so if a gymnast competes AA, I count that as one entry, and then her four scores are individual scores). So basically gymnasts have competed 6596 times this year, if that makes sense!

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3. How is it possible that the jr is beating the sr in AA? When was the last yr this happened?!

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   • I believe Katelyn Ohashi’s scores in 2012 were higher than any senior’s scores. Someone should fact check but my memory is she would have won All Around Gold walking away.

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     • No, by 2012 there were already some cracks in the Ohashi armor she only finished 5th at 2012 junior nats. Her 2011 scores would’ve put her second in the seniors, way out ahead of Raisman and neck and neck with Wieber.

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   • To answer your first question, the juniors are simply at the level of past US Seniors, while the current crop of US Seniors are not doing so well. If there were a team competition this year, the US would be projected to beat Japan by less than 3 points, which is the lowest margin in six years. Of current US Seniors, only Ragan really has the skills, consistency and form to make the Olympic team, in my opinion.

     Compare that to juniors. Already, I think Emma, Maile, Gabby, and Sunisa are contenders at or above Ragan’s level. Jay Jay Marshall might shape into something special, or she might not. All are more likely team options than even Riley, say nothing of the others. The group of juniors who turned senior this year just aren’t really that strong from what I can tell. Next year’s rising seniors are, as a whole, more impressive.

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     • Here’s to the hope that japan can break into the rank to become the next big 4. I do think they really need to get a world team medal consistently for a few years before we can say they are truly the new big 4.

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   • Actually, it’s pretty normal in a post olympic year. Most of the top gymnasts retire/go to college when the quad ends, while the junior field remains the same since they keep training towards the olympic goal.
     In 2013, post-London olympics, the top all-arounders were Kyla Ross, the one who stucked around after London (like Ragan) and Simone Biles, a new senior who was pretty inconsistent (like Riley), and we know how that ended!

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     • I can’t wait til world to see if we have a Bile like break out from any sr. but somehow i just doubt it.

       But it does make for a more interesting world competition with none of the older team members, save for ragan and locklear.

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       • I doubt we’re going to see a Simone like breakthrough anytime soon if ever, just because she’s a once in a generation talent, and top of the fact that type of breakthrough is extremely rare to begin with. Not to meantion thats she’s possibly the best of all time. The only gymnast that could’ve MAYBE come anywhere near her was a full difficulty and extremely clean Komova but that’s it. Either way, I hate the post Olympic “WHERE IS THE NEW (insert current Olympic champion here)?!” rhetoric. The post Olympic
         Year has never had more than a handful of standouts. I mean noone ever imagined Biles would be the Olympic champion in 2013; in fact most figured she would fizzle out after a year or two, which looked like even more of a possibility when she dealt with an aggravated shoulder in the beginning of 2014. It wasn’t until 2014 worlds when people realized that she had the durability to make it through to the olympics. Theres no use in complaining about lack of superstars a year after the olympics, we’ll see who they are soon enough.

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   • Its not common for this many to be at the top. Even when we had a great crop of juniors in 2001/2 (Carly, COurtney, Hollie, Postell, Uzelac) they were not beating the top senior scores.

     There have been times where one athlete was just clearly a junior star and was far ahead of the others. For example, Nastia’s 2004 junior nationals score would have been first at Olympic trials. Shawn would’ve won 2006 nationals with her junior score. But this also because both those (senior) competitions were splat fests.

     I can’t think of another time where a whole group of juniors were just out and out better than the top seniors.

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4. Is it possible to create a floor routine such as:
   Acrobatic Elements:
   Moors: I (0.90)
   Full twisting double layout: H (0.80) + Sissone:+0.10
   1.5 twist+Piked double arabian: F (0.60)+stag jump:+0.30
   Double twisting double back: H (0.80)
   Total acrobatic score is 3.1
   Dance Elements:
   Triple wolf turn: E (0.50)
   Switch leap 3/2: D (0.40)
   Switch leap 1/1: D (0.40)
   Double turn with leg raised at horizontal: D (0.40)
   Тotal dance score is 1.7
   Connection Value 0.4
   Total score is 7.7

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   • I mean, theoretically, anything is possible, but I’m going to say NO.
     Simone exemplified the maximum difficulty that could be completed well and safely. This far exceeds her most difficult competed routine. Maybe she could attempt it, but it would likely be unsafe, result in downgrades and a low E score.

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     • I saw a videos of Biles training a Moors, and then Morgan Hurd tried to learn it. But it remains a skill of few girls only, and now there aren`t more gymnasts who competed it at international meets.
       So may be some Japanese (like Sae Myakawa or May Murakami) and Chinese gymnasts will be in able to upgrade their resaults by including of the new tumbling passes next season.

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       • I can see Hurd performing the Moors if healthy. The one she did in training was on a soft mat, which is much easier to spring up and land on, but her form was superb, and as a first year senior it looks promising. If Hurd just tunes up her floor and Bars and goes wobble free on Beam, she’ll be a front runner for the world championships.

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