15 thoughts on “2016 Osijek Challenge Cup Results”

1. Helody Cyrenne replaced Megan Roberts? I hope Roberts is okay.

   And why didn’t Seda compete vault or Kharenkova compete bars?

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   • There might have been a two per country rule for bars – and Kapinitova and Seda both competed bars. As for why Seda didn’t compete vault – perhaps she’s not focusing on a second vault but it also might be because she was apparently sick with the flu not that long ago.

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2. If I were the Rodienkos I would’ve replaced Afanasyeva with Tutkhalyan and Spiridonova with Kapitonova, especially with this showing. Ksenia needs to go into preservation mode if she wants to peak by Rio, usually from past knowledge and interviews, Ksenia peaks in the spring, spends her Summer doing some sort of recovery from her 100th injury at Round Lake or Munich, and then somehow pulls herself back to where she was earlier in the year by worlds. This year needs to be different for her if she wants to be in top shape by a time of year where she’s usually starting to burn out. Seda has more to prove and can pull in decent numbers everywhere, with her strength on beam making up some of what Ksenia could give them on floor. Daria is pretty useless if she’s not on bars, while Natalia can perform every event with decent numbers. A 15+ routine is still within Natalia’s realm of possibility, as she has shown here, her beam can pull in respectable numbers unlike Spiridonova, and on floor Natalia is 10x more useful than Daria, especially since Aliya won’t perform on floor.

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   • I agree that Afan needs to be preserved until Russian Cup in order for her to content for the Olympic team. However Kapitonova was, in my opinion, grossly over scored on bars in comparison to her teammates at Russian nationals. She’s definitely a good bar workers but not worthy of a 15.567 with her current routine. She could fill the spot that Spiridonova currently fills since she’s good at bars and has a stronger beam set even though she can be inconsistent. Her floor is serviceable however she is just as weak on vault as Spiridonova.

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3. What could possibly incur a 6.0 deduction? With an 8.6 execution and 1.4 DV… I’m confused, do you know what happened?

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   • It’s a penalty for not having a complete routine. If 5-6 elements are performed they incur a 4 point penalty, if 3-4 are performed it’s 6 points, and if only 1-2 are performed it’s 8 points. Kremer must have competed only 3-4 elements, which is also why her D-score is so low. She may have fallen or gotten injured or something that made her stop her routine before it was finished…normally Kremer’s floor D-score is about 4.7.

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     • Really? ( didn’t know there were additional ND aside from just taking away points from D score ;( that’s like double penalizing ;(

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       • Not really…if someone doesn’t do a complete routine, what goes missing from the D score doesn’t add up to much. A 1.4 D score plus an 8.6 execution would be a 10.0 final score which would be really high given that there were only 3 or 4 skills presented. A D score doesn’t reflect penalties…you simply get credit for what you do. Nothing is “taken away” from you because if you only do a couple of skills, they’re not “taking away” from skills you didn’t do. They’re just giving you credit for what you DID do. The reasoning for the actual penalties is to prevent gymnasts from performing incomplete routines and still getting relatively solid scores. For example, if a gymnast has five really strong skills on bars, all E+ in addition to some good connections, she can conceivably build up a D score of around 5.5 or better with only those five skills. If this was the case, then gymnasts would exploit this loophole and perform shortened or “incomplete” routines and still basically get full credit for it. The penalties are therefore necessary in order to prevent gymnasts from getting away with good scores on short routines. You basically have to perform seven or eight skills to get a good score, otherwise you face a penalty. Sucks for those who have to stop a routine early due to an injury or something, but it prevents a lot of nonsense with trying to cheat big scores while doing half the work you’re supposed to do.

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4. Holy crap, Ellie won all events in event finals. She was kind of on my radar last year when she won bronze at the European Championships as a new senior, but from this competition she is absolutely a contender for the AA podium (most likely bronze, but even silver if others make huge mistakes).

   I hope she stays healthy until Rio and there is even talks of her upgrading vault and bars by Euros. I woukd imagine she will at some point debut the amanar and the piked arabian with 1.5 twist out on floor that she trained a while ago. Watch out, because Ellie is on her game.

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   • Although it is impressive that she swept the medals keep in mind this is a World Cup with limited competition. At Europeans she will face stronger competition on all four pieces. Giulia Steingruber, Maria Paseka on vault, 2 Russians plus Becky Downie on bars etc. I doubt she will beat out the second American for the AA silver but a bronze is manageable if others make mistakes. I don’t really see her medaling at the Olympics unfortunately however she is only a second year senior and will be a major podium contender next quad for sure.

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     • I do agree with most of what you said. I guess I was overly optimistic with the fact that she swept the medals easily in this competition with very competitive scores. It is a weak field, but it also an international event so the scores usually reflect that of Euros, Worlds and the Olympics, so that was the reason why it was exciting to see her results; she could be the first gymnast ever to win an AA medal in the olympics. But it is still early in the season, so Euros will definitely give us an idea of who the contenders are, even still, anything can happen in the Olympics (who would have thought Jordan would be eliminated from the AA due to the 2 per country). So it really depends on who hits on that day of the only pics.

       It is just exciting to see GB, in general, be competitive and to be able to compete for medals now. I hope Ellie keeps up her difficulty while being consistent to be in the picture, because she has so much talent.

       But like you said, she does have stiff competition from others later on and I bet they are all upgrading too. I can’t wait till Rio!

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5. Luv Ellie but this field is a little weak. She can medal at euros if the others make mistakes and she is clean. She has stiff competition there vault, bars beam might be bronze or lower. She pro might medal on floor only. But I see growth in her for the 2017 squad with world medals. She is definitely a lock for the Olympics

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6. If you add all her scores up she has AA total of 59! As it’s a world cup the scores shouldn’t be inflated… It shows she has genuine potential to contend for bronze AA in Rio even with other contenders hitting their routines. That potential will only increase if she pulls out an Amanar (although extremely unlikely before Rio). Go GB!

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7. that’s a 59 for AA (and that’s using the ave of 2 vt, not the highest vt). A very solid AA score. I mean it could be a weak field, but the question for lauren is was there any score inflation. If not, she have placed herself into the top 5 AA score (not counting the US of course). I think unless she’s injured she’s likely a rio lock too…

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