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What’s going on with China? They looked so good in 2014 and 2015, but they have so few good gymnasts right now.
I think with all of the post-2016 retirements as well as many of the gymnasts still around no longer at a super high level, the younger generations coming up haven’t been able to replace the older generations just yet. Those who are left from the last quad are at a lower level in general and have been super injured on top of that, so no one is able to step up, though I was glad to see Fan Yilin get back to her peak ability on bars last year. Others, like Luo Huan and Liu Tingting, just have to get over injuries to be more productive, and then others, like Wang Yan and Fan Yilin, are toying with the idea of retirement, though I was glad to see Yilin get back to her peak ability at worlds last year.
They do have a ton of up and coming talent, but many are more like specialists…or they’re injured. I’m hoping now that Liang Chow is taking over as national team director, he’ll be able to get the current and future generations a bit healthier and paced a bit better. The talent is there…but the circumstances just aren’t in their favor. A team this year with Chen Yile, Luo Huan, Liu Tingting, Liu Jinru, and Fan Yilin could do GREAT things at worlds…this team has a great balance between specialists and all-arounders who can put a strong performance together in the team competition and then also contend for some individual medals. But that’s an ideal scenario, and as we know for China, nothing has ever been ‘ideal’ for them.
I recently saw a picture of Liang Chow with Chinese gymnasts. Is he taking a role in the Chinese program? Is he going to continue at Chow’s?
He is taking over as head coach…I don’t know the specifics, he originally came on part-time, but there was apparently some sort of shake-up within the Chinese program that led to him taking over, so yes, now he’ll be the national team coordinator basically. I’m not sure what’s going to happen at Chow’s now. He was double-teaming his club and the Chinese team at first, kind of like what Mihai Brestyan’s situation is with Australia, but now it seems he might have to be in China on a more full-time basis? He can probably still maintain ownership at his club, but then obviously just not coach there anymore. I guess it’s good timing since his top athletes are getting ready to move onto college and he didn’t really have any serious elites coming up.
What does ‘hollow’ mean in relation to body shape in a layout?
Hmm, how to explain in non-gym specific terms…it’s almost like the neutral position between arched and piked in terms of how your hips and low back look? Like, when you arch back you’re bending your spine backwards to create a curve, and when you pike down, you’re bending forward at the hips curving in the opposite way.
Normally your spine has a bit of a curve to it to create a natural arch…but when you hollow, you kind of get rid of that curve by pulling forward and stacking your vertebrae one on top of the other, making your spine fully straight. Your pelvis tilts backward to pull your lower (lumbar) spine flat. If you lie down and pull your belly button toward the floor, your lower back should touch the ground (instead of there being a curve at your lumbar spine that creates a space between your back and the floor). Then lift your legs up a little and lift your head slightly off the floor with your arms by your ears. That’s a hollow body shape.
For handstands and giants on bars and layouts, the hollow shape is important because the hollow shape is all about core strength and control, and it helps shape your body as one unit for skills that require a straight body position. It makes skills like layouts and handstands and giants easier to hold onto, compared to someone doing these skills in an arch or with piked form…but if you work on lots of hollow drills as a younger gymnast, the more you practice and the better your hollow shape is, the more it will become ingrained into your natural movements as a gymnast, which means it will take less muscular effort to hold your body in the correct positions for more advanced skills. I hope all of this made sense…I tried to talk from more layman’s terms without simultaneously dumbing it down!
If Mihai Brestyan had been chosen as national team coordinator instead of Valeri Liukin, do you think he would’ve ended up resigning?
It depends. The reason Valeri resigned is because of accusations that began stacking up from former gymnasts in his club days…but Mihai also had a few former gymnasts talk about him being emotionally abusive, so if those gymnasts spoke up the way Valeri’s former gymnasts did, he might also find it in his best interest (and the team’s best interest) to resign.
Is there a reason why a full-in off beam is worth the same whether tucked or piked?
One of those magic code nonsense things we love about the FIG. I think it’s probably because while the pike shape is harder to do in that skill, many gymnasts find opening up from a pike easier to land? So both tuck and pike have pros and cons, and it’s just a matter of picking which one works best for you. But honestly, the pike is objectively harder and I think it should be worth more, especially just logically, since the double tuck and double pike are one degree of difficulty apart, it should be the same for the same skills with the full twist?
Are ‘late bloomers’ more likely to not get injured and stay in elite longer?
For the most part, that has been the case! Pretty much anyone in the last quad we saw as top juniors with huge skills at that level making them seem like big threats for Olympic teams didn’t end up making it past a year or two into their senior careers, whereas those who were most successful didn’t get on the radar at a high level until they were already at the senior level.
Simone Biles and Katelyn Ohashi are a great example, because they came up together, but Katelyn came out at 12 as one to watch and everyone’s favorite choice for potential 2016 teams at a young age, and then Simone was the same age and was kind of around but not really a top junior until she was almost done with her junior career. By that point, Katleyn started to fade a bit, but that’s when Simone was just getting started, and Katelyn was only able to make it to one senior meet in her life before retiring because she was physically and mentally done. They were like two ships passing in the night, with American Cup in 2013 kind of where you could see things starting to take them in the opposite direction from where we thought each would go, and it was like an interesting experiment because you could see that showing your best stuff at 12 or 13 didn’t really end up being good for longevity whereas introducing your hardest skills at an older age meant you could hold onto them much longer.
I think it has to do mostly with growth, because if you’ve learned all of your tough stuff when you’re still teeny tiny, you basically have to re-learn them after going through puberty. You have to get used to the skills with a brand-new body, and many find it too difficult to make those adjustments. But if you keep it simple when you’re smaller, let your body grow up, and then first attempt those more difficult skills once you have your adult body, there’s no adjusting after that and it just becomes about staying healthy rather than having to readjust to changes. So yes. Almost on a case-by-case basis, those gymnasts who held off a bit have been able to maintain a peak longer compared to those who came out with huge skills at a younger age.
I noticed Sandra Izbasa posted videos of her in the gym training. Do you think she’s training for a return to elite gymnastics?
I think she’s just kind of playing around and isn’t seriously considering a return to the sport.
Do you think the Hopes Classic originally scheduled at the ranch this July will happen? How will they qualify to the Hopes Championships without this?
They’ll still be holding the Hopes Classic and the American Classic, but without the ranch, they’re looking for a new place to hold the competitions, both of which serve as qualifiers. They’ll probably end up using a gym that’s used to holding invitationals or something…or like, maybe even FlipFest again, and if there’s a camp in session, the kids will get to watch kind of like the kids at the ranch for the Karolyi Camps in the summer would get to watch the Olympic team camp verifications?
What happens if an audience member boos a gymnast at a competition? Can you get thrown out?
Probably. It’d likely depend on the ushers there. They might just give a warning or something and then throw them out if they’re being truly disruptive and not listening to warnings.
Skill 6.101 under beam mounts in the code is listed as a ‘free walkover forward with a half twist.’ Do you think a side aerial to feet together counts as this skill in the code?
That’s actually a dismount, and it’s only an A-level because it’s super simple, which is why we never see it. It’s basically a side aerial done as a dismount. A side aerial to two feet is in the code as a free aerial roundoff, listed as an acro skill (number 5.508).
I noticed Ashton Locklear is no longer listed as being part of the national team. Do you know what that is about?
She’s still on the national team. When she changed her gym, there was a clerical error that led her to being taken off the list rather than just having her gym name changed from Everest to WCC.
I recently heard that skaters are allowed to include lyrics in their music. Do you think the same will ever be true for women’s floor routines?
I don’t know…it would be cool to see it happen. I personally don’t find that a lack of lyrics does anything to help floor routines, but I guess I could see it getting annoying for like, choreographic movements to end up matching the choreo in a dumb way lol…like when you see kids doing a dance to a song and all of the movements mime the words they’re saying.
Did Romania’s vault coach change?
I’m not sure who their vault coach was and who it is now!
Why do front aerials look easier than front tucks? I thought split legs slowed down rotation but aerials look like they rotate faster.
The way the legs split in an aerial don’t have anything to do with rotation…it’s a ‘simple’ enough skill (because it’s only one rotation with no twists) that it can get around in that shape with no problem. A front tuck probably looks harder because of the way it’s landed, with feet together. If someone was doing a double front aerial, the two rotations would definitely be slowed by the leg positions whereas a double front tuck would be easier, but for just the one front rotation, the split legs don’t really matter for speed.
Do you know why Ragan Smith, Ashton Locklear, Emma Malabuyo, and Morgan Hurd didn’t go to the national team verification in February?
Ragan and Emma were taking it slow this season, so they skipped the two earlier camps so they could focus on going to Jesolo with their gym. Morgan didn’t go because it was a verification camp for American Cup and she was already selected for that meet. Ashton didn’t go because she’s still injured and recovering from surgery.
Hypothetical — it’s the Rio Games but with Tokyo rules. Your six gymnasts are Simone Biles, Aly Raisman, Laurie Hernandez, Gabby Douglas, Madison Kocian, and MyKayla Skinner. Which four do you put on the team and which two do you have compete as individuals?
Simone, Aly, Laurie, and Gabby on the team, all doing all-around, MyKayla and Madison both competing all-around as individuals, with MyKayla hoping for a vault final spot and Madison hoping for the bars final. I’d put both in the all-around if healthy either way because you never know…even if MyKayla and Madison wouldn’t be top contenders for the beam final if they all hit, say the four on the team all had falls and missed out on the final. If you just had MyKayla and Madison doing their single specialty routines, you don’t get any U.S. girls in the beam final, but if they do the all-around just in case, either could sneak into the beam final with the other four out of the picture.
Could a former elite do the Nastia Liukin Cup?
If she’s back in level 10 officially then yes, it’s allowed.
Why did Megan Skaggs compete so randomly for Florida this season? Is it normal to see that much variation in what a gymnast competes from week to week?
I think they were trying to figure out what to do with her. She kind of fit in anywhere, so they shuffled her based on what the team needed in any given week. It’s not super common to see that much change, but Florida had to have super flexible lineups this season due to injuries and trying to rest some girls, so it was good that they had someone like Megan to go in anywhere when needed.
Why is the Endo with Healy on the low bar only worth a D?
Do you mean an Endo full? An Endo full is a front stalder swing with a full pirouette, but a Healy is a front one-armed giant with a full pirouette. Both are in reverse grip, but a Healy is worth more than an Endo full because it’s done on one arm. An Endo full on one arm is worth an E just like a Healy is. There’s no difference in difficulty if either is on the high or low bar.
Do you think the triple and quad twists on floor will ever get upgraded?
I wish! But I don’t know, especially since triples are pretty common…there’d be no incentive to raise the skill value because everyone’s basically already doing them. But I could see the 3½ and quad getting upgraded.
How rare is the quad twist in WAG? Is there anyone besides Chiaki Hatakeda that we’ve seen perform it?
She’s the only one I’ve ever seen perform it! So yeah…it’s pretty rare.
What would Peng Peng Lee’s college bars be worth in elite? Could she help Canada on her two events?
Her bars D score would be a 4.6 in elite, and realistically she’d score in the low to mid 13s for a great set. Pretty much all of Canada’s elites who are in consideration for international teams have a greater level of difficulty on bars and some are capable of scores in the 14s…Brittany Rogers has a 5.9, for example, Isabela Onyshko has a 5.8, Ellie Black has a 5.7, Ana Padurariu has a 5.4, and I can think of at least 15 other seniors who all have above a 4.6, so Peng would really have to upgrade to help the team. Her beam, while good at the NCAA level, would also need major upgrades.
Has any other team pulled an Arizona and just bombed a competition for team transgressions?
Not that I can recall in the last ten or so years. I’ve been watching NCAA pretty regularly since 2008 and I can’t remember it happening during that time unless it was a team I just didn’t happen to see compete. I know when Wilson College began slowly dropping off their program they’d sometimes only put up two or three gymnasts per event, and in their final year, they basically only had one gymnast competing regularly, though that’s not the same as being a top-tier team and bombing a meet when you force half of the members to sit out.
If a gymnast falls on bars, tries to stand on the low bar to jump to the high bar and falls, does she count two falls, or one?
She would count two falls.
Do you know why some gymnasts tap the beam with a foot before their dismount? Is it a superstition? Does it signal to the judges that their dismount is coming? Is it part of their routine?
It’s not a superstition but more like…a nervous tic or habit? It’s like a comforting thing almost and it actually incurs a deduction now…I’ve watched gymnasts training to NOT do that, but then they go into competition and do it anyway. It’s a hard habit to break!
When will Laurie Hernandez come back?
I think the goal is to come back next year. She’s apparently back in the gym now but has to get back into gymnastics shape before starting to work on routines and stuff so this summer will definitely be too soon.
Which international elites would you love to see in NCAA?
Latalia Bevan is my number one right now! I’d also love to see Brooklyn Moors (fingers crossed), Rune Hermans, Flavia Saraiva, Rifda Irfanaluthfi, Farah Ann Abdul Hadi, Elena Eremina, and Tutya Yilmaz.
Can you explain the process by which judges are assigned to NCAA competitions? It seems there are certain venues/conferences that are prone to consistent home scoring. What do you think can be done to bring consistency to NCAA scoring?
NCAA-eligible judges are entered into a system and then state/regional judging heads assign judges to NCAA meets the same way they assign them to J.O. meets within their states. Because judges tend to be local, even though they’re not hired by that specific school, there probably is going to be some sort of bias for the host team, which sucks. At least it’s kind of a mess no matter where you are, in which case the ‘consistency’ is that many host teams will have crazy home scoring?
Why didn’t Rebecca Bross do NCAA?
She went pro early in her elite career and so became ineligible for NCAA competition.
I know the teams for Pac Rims in 2016 were all seniors. But I thought they had to be juniors and seniors?
For Pac Rims the rule is usually that each team must have at least three juniors, but for 2016, they allowed for teams to be made up fully of seniors, probably to encourage countries to attend as ‘practice’ for the Olympics or something. I’m sure Martha Karolyi was like “we’re doing what we want, okay?” and everyone was like of course.
Are there deductions for using sting mats? If not, why don’t gymnasts use them all the time?
Most meets will allow sting mats, including nationals in the U.S., but many major international meets like worlds and other FIG meets don’t allow them. At FIG meets, a 0.5 deduction is taken for the use of unpermitted supplementary mats.
How do volunteer assistant coaches make a living? Don’t they need to pay rent and eat?
Most are undergrad or grad students or people who live locally with their parents or something who don’t really need to make a full-time living and probably are only doing that job so they can stay around the sport for a bit before moving on to a career. Often the volunteer coach for many teams ends up being a former gymnast from the team who graduates but then stays at school to finish up another year as an undergrad or because they’re starting grad school and have that extra time to help the coaching staff. No one is really a ‘career’ volunteer assistant coach, and those who do exist usually have jobs doing other things, so they might not always be fully available but still like being involved (like Jeremy Miranda, who has been a volunteer coach and choreographer for the Gators for a decade and is an actor/dancer in real life but continues working on a volunteer basis for Florida because he loves it…I come from musical theater and actually have musical theater friends who know him from that world, which is funny for me because #WorldsColliding and all that, and looking at his resume right now, we’ve actually done shows at two of the same theaters so #SmallWorld).
Why is a double arabian half-out on floor worth the same as a double arabian, but a Podkopayeva is worth a tenth more than a double front?
One of the great mysteries of the code. Welcome to a world where nothing makes sense and there is no logic or reason behind many of the element values.
Is there any Mexican gymnast you know of who has potential for the international stage or NCAA?
I loooove Louise Lopez and think she’ll be fabulous as she gets older. I’m not sure if any of them are thinking of doing NCAA, but as a future international contender, Louise definitely has potential.
I am an adult woman in my 30s and have been an avid gym fan since childhood. When I decided to use Twitter to stay up-to-date on gym news, I decided to follow news sources but no accounts for gymnasts under 18. I feel ANY adults may seem suspect or scary to these kids. Do you have any insight into this, or am I just being over-protective?
I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing to follow younger people as long as you’re not doing anything that is inappropriate…I don’t follow or interact with many underage gymnasts, mostly because there’s just not a lot I’d have in common with them, but there are many who are really cool and I’ll follow them because we have shared interests outside of the sport or have met IRL and have a friendly relationship…and if anyone was ever like “I feel uncomfortable with you following/talking to me” I would respect that. I think most don’t feel that it’s creepy to have adults following them, if only because the nature of the sport is that many fans are going to be older and enjoy following them to see skill updates and things, and those who do want to keep their lives private will make their accounts private so only those they approve can follow, giving them more of a choice in who sees their stuff.
Is there a rule that requires skills with two flips to have both done in the same position or is it just not possible to do a double with one flip tucked and the other piked?
The code doesn’t allow for double salto skills to have two different body shapes, which is why we don’t see a double back with two different kinds of saltos. In the past I believe some gymnasts would do mixed double saltos but it’s definitely no longer a thing.
Why in older competitions did gymnasts do toe-ons with their legs in a straddled position instead of piked? Would this be a deduction now?
I feel like a straddled toe-on is a B element now? Maybe I’m recalling that incorrectly but yeah, I would guess that it’s just not a valuable skill and so no one uses it for that reason. I don’t know anything about them not being allowed, so yeah…probably just too low of a value to matter.
Why are vault values so inconsistent between WAG and MAG? The Amanar has a 0.2 difference between the two, but the tsuk double has 0.4 and the Rudi has a full point.
The Amanar/Shewfelt are separated by 0.6 across the two codes (a 5.8 for women, a 5.2 for men), the tsuk doubles are separated by 0.8 (a 5.6 for women and a 4.8 for men), but you’re correct about the Rudi (a 5.8 for women and a 4.8 for men). Because of how men are built in the shoulders, front-entry vaults are easier for them than they are for women, which is why a majority of women stick to Yurchenko-style vaults…back flips off the table aren’t as difficult for them as front flips. This is likely why there is less of a variance between the Yurchenko skills compared to the forward-flipping skills? I’d rate front handspring vaults as physically most difficult for women compared to men, followed by tsuk-style vaults and then Yurchenkos, so the differences between the various styles make sense, I think.
Do you think Mihai Brestyan regrets accepting the job in Australia now that he could get the U.S. role?
I can’t speak for Mihai, but if it was me, I’d be thrilled that I no longer have anything to do with the sinking ship that is USA Gymnastics right now.
Did the gymnasts who went to Jesolo with their clubs have to pay for the trip? Could they accept prize money to cover the cost without affecting their NCAA eligibility?
Yes, USA Gymnastics didn’t send them to Jesolo, so USA Gymnastics didn’t pay for any of it. Going to Jesolo was a decision made by the gymnasts and their coaches and parents, so if they wanted to go, they had to pay for the trip. And no, they wouldn’t be eligible to use prize money to cover the cost…unless prize money could go to the club and not to the gymnasts themselves. For most invitationals in the U.S., prize money is awarded to teams and not the gymnasts, so if Jesolo also did that rather than give prize money to the gymnasts, then the clubs could use it to cover the costs.
Why is floor choreography so expensive per routine? Do you have tips on proper music selection for gymnasts?
It’s because the choreographers are doing a job and they deserve to be paid for the hours of time that generally go into getting a routine set — between choreography, music selection/editing, and training/refining the gymnast’s movement, it’s literally hours and hours of work…and they’re also giving gymnasts the right to use their creation for competitions, so that also plays into it. Any tips I have for music selection are related to choosing a style of music that you know you can perform well…like if you’re a fun, outgoing, bubbly, silly person, choose music that fits that, not a dramatic funeral dirge that makes you look awkward. Everyone has a different style and personality, so selecting something that you can own out on the floor is key to having a good routine. I love Elizabeth Seitz’s music this year…she said in interviews that it fits her perfectly, and it’s so evident when you see her performing it. Sometimes it’s nice to push your comfort zone and move into different styles, which you often see from girls at the NCAA level, but for the most part doing what you do best is crucial.
What is the deal with teams at J.O. regionals and nationals? Do gymnasts just compete normally and have the best scores count for the team? Or do they choose in an order with a strategy?
They just compete normally, there’s no strategy to it. It’s still an all-around and individual competition, but they throw in the team aspect with the different regions just to inspire some bonding at that level and make it a little more fun. The regional teams hang out together, get the same swag, have practices and meetings together, and often also go on trips (like the Region 5 team, they’re always doing little international trips and getaways to bond)…the team aspect is definitely a fun way to get through a tough and nerve-racking competition even though there’s no strategy or order or what you’d expect from actual established teams like NCAA teams or international teams.
Say Aly Raisman wants to go to Tokyo but wants nothing to do with USAG? Could she self-fund her way to the world cups and qualify as an individual?
No, federations have to register gymnasts for all FIG and continental meets and world cups count as FIG meets. She could still compete at an international level and attend different invitationals that don’t require a federation’s support, like Gymnix or Elite Gym Massilia, but none of these would count as Olympic qualifiers.
Would you consider figure skating, rhythmic, or artistic gymnastics more popular in Russia?
I think figure skating and rhythmic are up there as some of the most popular sports, with artistic behind those two. I’m not sure which wins between skating and rhythmic, though…I’d say rhythmic if I had to guess? I follow ballet pretty closely and all of the parents who put their kids into higher level ballet programs generally had their kids starting out as athletes in figure skating or rhythmic, but more seem to come out of the rhythmic system than the skating system, so on that level, rhythmic is more popular in terms of what sports parents put their kids into…but I don’t know 100% in terms of what fans like.
Can you tell me the D score for Martina Dominici’s bars routine?
She had a 5.2 at Gymnix and a 4.9 at Pac Rims.
Other than Beth Tweddle, has anyone else connected an Ezhova to a shaposh element?
I feel like someone has done an Ezhova to van Leeuwen? Or at least has meant to…I’ve definitely seen it in training but can’t remember who did it. I feel like it’s…Elena Eremina or Anastasia Iliankova or something?
Did the Karolyis actually move back to Romania?
No, they’re still in the U.S. from what I last heard.
What’s going on with Twistars? Are they still producing elites or have they lost all credibility?
They don’t really have any elites right now but they still have higher-level J.O. athletes, including level 10s who were at J.O. nationals this year. The gym and John Geddert actually still have a lot of support from many athletes and parents which is insane to me, but hey, everyone has a different experience I guess? I don’t get it personally but I mean, people defended Larry Nassar for months while calling victims disgusting words, so for some reason people would rather believe and support dirty old men than their young female victims.
How much does “the stuck landing is the last thing judges see” actually come into play with judges and the score?
I think it can definitely subconsciously influence how a routine is scored, more at the NCAA level than at the FIG level…I’ve definitely seen routines with messy form but a stuck landing get 10s in NCAA which always blows my mind, but that stick is what you remember most and it can definitely make the judges think it was a ‘perfect’ routine. Obviously if someone has a major mistake or fall, they’re not going to be like “10!” for a stuck dismount, but if it comes down to just a minor mistake, they might go for it.
When would you say Simone Biles peaked?
Honestly, in Rio in terms of her skill level in ability. She was at her highest level of difficulty and some of her best performance level when she needed to be…it sucked that she had that mistake on beam in that event final, but that was a fluke at the end of a long week. Otherwise, she was exactly what she was expected to be, which is insane and so rare. Things almost never work out that well!
Can Kennedy Baker petition for another year of eligibility after her Achilles injury?
No, it happened too late in the season for her to get another year.
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