2019 Pan American Games Live Blog | Men’s Qualifications, Subdivision 1

Welcome to the live blog for the first subdivision of the men’s team final and individual qualifications at the 2019 Pan American Games, held in Lima, Peru!

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7:45 pm. TEAM STANDINGS

1. Brazil 250.450
2. Canada 246.725
3. Mexico 239.750
4. Argentina 222.600

ALL-AROUND STANDINGS

1. Arthur Mariano, Brazil, 82.200
2. René Cournoyer, Canada, 81.900
3. Daniel Corral, Mexico, 81.650
4. Caio Souza, Brazil, 81.550
5. Cory Paterson, Canada, 81.200
6. Isaac Nuñez, Mexico, 79.300
7. Justin Karstadt, Canada, 78.950
8. Luis Porto, Brazil, 78.100
9. Santiago Mayol, Argentina, 77.050
10. Joel Álvarez, Chile, 76.450
11. Israel Chiriboga, Ecuador, 75.950
12. Jose Antonio Lopez, Puerto Rico, 75.150
13. Daniel Villafañe, Argentina, 74.350
14. Andres Perez, Puerto Rico, 71.550
15. Victor Rostagno, Uruguay, 71.500
16. Nicolas Cordoba, Argentina, 69.050
17. Fabio Chicas, El Salvador, 63.950
18. Gustavo Cumali, Bolivia, 57.725

FLOOR STANDINGS

1. Daniel Corral, Mexico, 14.000
2. Tomás González, Chile, 13.900
3. Arthur Mariano, Brazil, 13.750
4. Arthur Zanetti, Brazil, 13.650
5. Jorge Vega, Guatemala, 13.600
6. Cory Patterson, Canada, 13.600
7. Samuel Zakutney, Canada, 13.500
8. Luis Porto, Brazil, 13.450
9. Francisco Rojo, Mexico, 13.300
10. Santiago Mayol, Argentina, 13.150
11. Victor Rostagno, Uruguay, 13.050
12. Isaac Nuñez, Mexico, 12.950

POMMELS STANDINGS

1. Zachary Clay, Canada, 14.500
2. Daniel Corral, Mexico, 14.150
3. Francisco Barretto, Brazil, 13.950
4. Justin Karstadt, Canada, 13.900
5. René Cournoyer, Canada, 13.800
6. Santiago Mayol, Argentina, 13.300
7. Cory Paterson, Canada, 13.275
8. Luis Porto, Brazil, 12.550
9. Andres Perez, Puerto Rico, 12.550
10. Israel Chiriboga, Ecuador, 12.500
11. Arthur Mariano, Brazil, 12.250
12. Isaac Nuñez, Mexico, 11.850

RINGS STANDINGS

1. Arthur Zanetti, Brazil, 15.000
2. Federico Molinari, Argentina, 14.500
3. Fabian de Luna, Mexico, 14.350
4. René Cournoyer, Canada, 14.000
5. Daniel Villafañe, Argentina, 13.850
6. Caio Souza, Brazil, 13.800
7. Cory Paterson, Canada, 13.400
8. Justin Karstadt, Canada, 13.350
9. Arthur Mariano, Brazil, 13.250
10. Jose Antonio Lopez, Puerto Rico, 13.200
11. Daniel Corral, Mexico, 13.100
12. Luis Porto, Brazil, 13.000

VAULT STANDINGS

1. Jorge Vega, Guatemala, 14.675
2. Audrys Nin, Dominican Republic, 14.425
3. Luis Porto, Brazil, 14.300
4. Jose Antonio Lopez, Puerto Rico, 14.225
5. Fabian de Luna, Mexico, 14.175
6. Daniel Villafañe, Argentina, 13.675
7. Victor Rostagno, Uruguay, 13.625
8. Francisco Rojo, Mexico, 13.575

PARALLEL BARS STANDINGS

1. Caio Souza, Brazil, 14.850
2. Isaac Nuñez, Mexico, 14.600
3. Arthur Mariano, Brazil, 14.300
4. Francisco Barretto, Brazil, 14.000
5. Justin Karstadt, Canada, 13.900
6. Joel Álvarez, Chile, 13.550
7. René Cournoyer, Canada, 13.500
8. Cory Paterson, Canada, 13.400
9. Fabian de Luna, Mexico, 13.200
10. Luis Porto, Brazil, 13.050
11. Daniel Corral, Mexico, 13.000
12. Nicolas Cordoba, Argentina, 12.900

HIGH BAR STANDINGS

1. Arthur Mariano, Brazil, 14.400
2. Francisco Barretto, Brazil, 14.050
3. Caio Souza, Brazil, 13.850
4. René Cournoyer, Canada, 13.550
5. Samuel Zakutney, Canada, 13.500
6. Cory Paterson, Canada, 13.475
7. Daniel Corral, Mexico, 13.300
8. Isaac Nuñez, Mexico, 13.100
9. Israel Chiriboga, Ecuador, 12.950
10. Joel Alvarez, Chile, 12.900
11. Andres Perez, Puerto Rico, 12.400
12. Francisco Rojo, Mexico, 12.350

7:41 pm. Federico Molinari ARG SR: High planche, great. Double pike to double tuck to iron cross, also super fluid. Love the head nod on his second iron cross. A little shaky in a handstand after that, finishes with a full-twisting double layout dismount with a step back. Fantastic! 14.500

7:39 pm. Gustavo Cumali BOL FX: Triple full to start was a little rough with a big lunge back. Second pass was better, then a double tuck third pass, a bit low with a stumble forward. Rough landing on the double full as well. 2.5 to finish with a big step forward OOB. 13.450

7:38 pm. Daniel Villafañe ARG SR: Nice iron cross. Double tuck to double pike to maltese, good. A little rough in the straddle planche angle, but hit the dismount, just brings his feet together.

7:37 pm. Brazil with a 250.450 to take the lead after the first subdivision! Just a few routines to finish up on now.

7:36 pm. Canada finishes with  246.725, which is almost TEN POINTS HIGHER THAN WORLDS LAST YEAR, I’M SCREAMING. This was an OUTSTANDING day.

7:35 pm. René Cournoyer CAN PH: Looked good at the start, he’s working super aggressively and has almost no major form issues. Another fantastic hit routine! CANADA!!!!!!! 13.800

7:34 pm. Luis Porto did a second vault, a kaz full I think but I didn’t pay attention, they kind of cut in late and I didn’t have my eyes on the screen.

7:33 pm. Canada just looked REALLY happy at Zachary Clay’s pommels! We didn’t see it, just their reactions, lol. OH AND WHY DIDN’T WE SEE IT, HE GOT A 14.5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7:32 pm. Luis Porto BRA VT: Shewfelt, mostly clean in the air but loses his form on the latter half, big step forward as well. 14.550

7:31 pm. Justin Karstadt with a 78.950 AA, that includes a fall on floor, not bad!

7:30 pm. Arthur Zanetti BRA VT: Roche, nice in the air, huuuuge lunge forward. Like, he got a solid 5 feet on that haha.

7:29 pm. Justin Karstadt CAN PH: He moves SO well on this event, this was fantastic!! Really great work. 13.900!!!

We missed Caio Sozua’s vault but he got a 14.550! AA is 81.550.

7:28 pm. Cory Paterson CAN PH: Just a little jerky in one of his scissor transitions at the beginning but quickly figures out a good rhythm, legs apart a bit at the end into the dismount but overall solid! 13.275

Paterson’s AA is 81.200, Joel Alvarez of Chile with a 76.450, Victor Rostagno of Uruguay with a 71.500, Nicolas Cordoba with a 69.050, looks like pommels was a disaster for him.

7:26 pm. Arthur Mariano BRA VT: DTY, super clean, almost a great landing, just kind of second guesses it and takes a hop back. But man that was beautiful in the air. 14.250

Mariano with an 82.200 to finish his all-around competition! Pretty solid considering his high bar drama and the messy pommels.

7:25 pm. Quickly checking some individual scores, looks like we haven’t missed anything super huge from anyone except for Jorge Vega’s vaults. I think he finishes on floor. Oh, Audrys Nin Reyes of the Dominican Republic also hit vault, averages a 14.425 to sit behind Vega right now.

7:21 pm. ROTATION 5 TEAM STANDINGS

1. Brazil 207.100
2. Canada 204.525
3. Mexico 198.950
4. Argentina 181.400

Brazil extends the lead there after an excellent rings rotation in addition to Canada’s fall on floor, and they’ll be looking to extend it even further with a finish on vault and pommels for these two teams, respectively.

ROTATION 5 ALL-AROUND STANDINGS

1. Daniel Corral MEX 68.650
2. René Cournoyer CAN 68.100
3. Arthur Mariano BRA 67.950
4. Cory Paterson CAN 67.925
5. Caio Souza BRA 67.000
6. Justin Karstadt CAN 65.050
7. Isaac Nuñez MEX 65.050
8. Santiago Mayol ARG 64.200

7:20 pm. Jose Antonio Lopez PUR HB: Yamawaki, Kolman, nice! Kovacs, also good, straddle Tkachev, stalder half, muscles through the Endo to Endo full but good fight there, stalder, dismounts with a full-twisting double layout, shady leg form in those layouts but hit routine.

7:17 pm. Andres Perez PUR HB: One-arm pirouette, Yamawaki, layout Tkachev, straddle Tkachev, blind change to stoop half, L grip stoop, hops his hands back to reverse grip, I love that you can see grip change so super clearly in MAG. Full-twisting double layout stuck. 12.400

7:14 pm. We didn’t see Samuel Zakutney’s floor but he got a 13.500.

7:13 pm. Arthur Zanetti BRA SR: I wasn’t typing but everything at the beginning was great, saltos into a Maltese, super fluid. Handstands are golden and he stuck the full-twisting double layout cold. Excellent. 15.000!

7:10 pm. René Cournoyer CAN FX: Stuck the double double COLD. Front layout to double front, UGHHHH, sat it. They’ll count a fall. 😦 Front double full to barani, good. 1.5 to Rudi. Double full is clean. Tucked full-in with a hop to the side.

7:08 pm. Caio Souza BRA SR: Maltese, solid, into an iron cross. Saltos into a straddle planche, leg angle is wonky. Iron cross, double double dismount, a bit low with a hop forward. 13.800

7:07 pm. Francisco Rojo MEX VT: Handspring Rudi, maybe a little low on the landing, but overall nice. Hop back.

7:05 pm. Cory Paterson CAN FX: Again missed the first skill, but hit his arabian double front and his 2.5 to barani, as well as his side pass. Triple full, good, just a little short with a hop. Good job bringing it back after the earlier fall. 13.600

7:04 pm. Luis Porto BRA SR: Everything I saw looked good, was rushed during one of his transitions, but really solid on everything else, hit routine! 13.000

7:02 pm. Justin Karstadt CAN FX: I missed the beginning of this but it looked like he hit. Caught it fron the arabian double front, a little low with a hop back. 2.5 to barani, little hops to the side. Clean double full, and then a layout side pass. UGH, too far back on the 2.5 to finish, puts his hand down. 😦

6:59 pm. ROTATION 4 TEAM STANDINGS

1. Brazil 165.050
2. Canada 164.875
3. Mexico 156.700
4. Argentina 150.700

Brazil hasn’t vaulted yet and they have Zanetti coming up on rings and Canada still has to hit pommels but DAMN this is a LOT closer than I thought it would be between these teams! Canada is really on fire today.

ROTATION 4 ALL-AROUND STANDINGS

1. René Cournoyer CAN 55.550
2. Arthur Mariano BRA 54.700
3. Daniel Corral MEX 54.550
4. Cory Paterson CAN 54.325
5. Justin Karstadt CAN 53.500
6. Caio Souza BRA 53.200
7. Jose Antonio Lopez PUR 50.950
8. Santiago Mayol ARG 50.900

6:57 pm. The results aren’t updating, of course, so I don’t have the current standings for team or all-around after the fourth rotation. Oh, wait, some scores are starting to come in now. Hopefully will have them in a minute or two.

6:55 pm. Fabian de Luna MEX SR: Maltese, swings through to handstand, double tuck to Maltese, then presses into an iron cross, nice lines in his planche, a little short on the handstand before his double double dismount, which was a bit low and caused him to take a deep step to avoid putting his hands down.

6:53 pm. Cory Paterson CAN HB: One-arm pirouette, stoop full, stoop half, layout Tkachev, straddle Tkachev to straddle Tkachev half, a bit rough on the catch on the latter but works through it. Yamawaki, stalder, double double layout, chest low and he wobbles a bit in his upper body but feet are stuck! That was mostly great. 13.475

6:51 pm. Daniel Corral MEX SR: Maltese through to an iron cross, very nice. He is so slow and deliberate in every skill. Double pike to double tuck to iron cross, excellent. Double layout dismount with a step back. Another great routine from him. 13.100

6:49 pm. Caio Souza BRA PH: Scissors up into handstand back todwn to scissors, and then back up and down again. LORD HAVE MERCY that was a lot of transitioning but he did well with it. Oof, loses his rhythm, legs come apart, and he kind of tumble rolls off the horse. Back on, hits the rest, simple dismount. 11.800

6:47 pm. René Cournoyer CAN HB: Nice clean Yamawaki, stalder half to L grip, stoop half, Tkachev to Tkachev half, hops his hands into L grip, front giant full, Endo half, stalder, and a double double layout with a big hop back. Another hit for Canada! 13.550

6:46 pm. Arthur Mariano BRA PH: Gets the scissors over with easily at the beginning, traveling elements also nice, but then his legs start going nuts on literally everything. Honestly no idea how he pulled himself back together TWICE to avoid falls but ALAS. 12.250

6:45 pm. Justin Karstadt CAN HB: Yamawaki to Endo half, stalder to hop full, stalder full, just a little crooked in some handstands, Tkachev, Tkachev half, stalder half, a little late, dismounts with a full-twisting double layout, a little bit low with a step forward but good start for Canada!

6:43 pm. Luis Porto BRA PH: Starts out very strong. Had some minor leg form issues before his traveling elements, but quickly brings it back under control for a super solid routine. 12.550

6:38 pm. ROTATION 3 TEAM STANDINGS

1. Brazil 126.300
2. Canada 124.350
3. Mexico 116.350
4. Argentina 112.550

ROTATION 3 ALL-AROUND STANDINGS

1. Arthur Mariano BRA 42.450
2. René Cournoyer CAN 42.000
3. Daniel Corral MEX 41.450
4. Caio Souza BRA 41.400
5. Justin Karstadt CAN 41.350
6. Cory Paterson CAN 40.850
7. Jose Antonio Lopez PUR 38.850
8. Andres Perez PUR 38.450

6:35 pm. Jose Antonio Lopez PUR VT: Kaz 1.5, not bad in the air, just loses leg form near the end, comes in a little low and takes a step to the side OOB. 14.450.

Second vault is a Roche, SUPER tight tuck position for the most part, just loses it a little in the second flip. A bit low on the landing again, but saves it from his knee touching the mat.

6:33 pm. Arthur Mariano got a 13.750 on floor, btw. He’s taking over as the all-around leader this rotation.

6:32 pm. Arthur Zanetti BRA FX: Casual jog into his piked double front, easy peasy. Front layout to double front with a small hop back after. Full-twisting double layout, lunges it back a bit. 2.5 to front full, either a super open tuck or a messy layout. Tucked full-in with a hop back after his strength nonsense, and an arabian double front with a tiny hop to the side to finish. Great! 13.650

6:30 pm. Daniel Corral MEX PH: This was BEAUTIFULLY done!!! Stunning routine, his swing looks so natural and clean and fluid, and he had basically zero mistakes outside of some slight form things. 14.150!!

6:29 pm. Samuel Zakutney CAN PB: I wasn’t paying super close attention, some scrappy handstands in there, but overall hit, hop back on his double pike dismount. 12.750

6:28 pm. Jorge Vega with a 14.675 average on vault!! Looks like his first got a 14.900. Both had great E. Only two have done two vaults so far but he has a full point lead right now.

6:27 pm. We missed Caio Souza on floor but he got a 12.700.

6:26 pm. René Cournoyer CAN PB: Saw him kind of iffy in a pirouette when we cut into this routine, but he does the rest looking super steady. Double front with a hop forward. 13.500

6:25 pm. Patricio Razo MEX PB: The broadcast has him listed as Fabian de Luna but it’s not. SHRUG. He had lots of leg form breaks and really muscled the handstand into the dismount, but a hit routine.

6:24 pm. Justin Karstadt CAN PB: We got a replay of this, I didn’t see most of it but it was hit, solid on the dismount as well. 13.900

6:22 pm. Luis Porto BRA FX: I missed his first pass, second was a double front with a hop forward, and then a front double full to front layout, a little messy in both. 1.5 to front full is super clean and stuck. Double full, nice. 2.5 is a bit scrappy at the end, but overall a hit routine. 13.450

Something I learned during the rotation break whilst frantically looking at every HB skill picture in the code is that a layout Jaeger full in MAG is called a Winkler. The more you know.

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6:20 pm. ROTATION 2 TEAM STANDINGS

1. Brazil 85.450
2. Canada 83.550
3. Mexico 79.000
4. Argentina 77.650

ROTATION 2 ALL-AROUND STANDINGS

1. Caio Souza BRA 28.700
2. Arthur Mariano BRA 28.700
3. René Cournoyer CAN 28.500
4. Francisco Barretto BRA 28.050
5. Justin Karstadt CAN 27.450
6. Cory Paterson CAN 27.450
7. Daniel Corral MEX 27.300
8. Santiago Mayol ARG 26.100

6:15 pm. Arthur Mariano BRA HB: Here we gooooo. Endo full, stoop half, legs go wild, hop full, layout Tkachv to straddle to straddle half, great. Gets the OH, it was a layout Jaeger full, not a Def, this time! Stoop full to Yamawaki, double double layout stuck. HE IS THE HAPPIEST BABY IN. THE. WORLD. 14.400!!!!!!!

6:14 pm. Arthur Mariano is going again!

6:12 pm. Francisco Barretto BRA HB: One-arm pirouette, straddle Tkachev to layout Tkachev to straddle Tkachev half, nice, stoop half, layout Tkachev half, almost gets stuck getting into handstand out of it but no problems, front giant full to Yamawaki, Endo, very clean and floaty full-twisting double layout dismount, he’s thrilled with that. 14.050

6:11 pm. They didn’t score Mariano’s routine so guessing he’ll get a redo but what do I know?! I know Randy Leru got a redo last year when his grip broke on rings…was that at Central American Games?

6:10 pm. Caio Souza BRA HB: Layout Tkachev to straddle Tkachev half, a little crooked on a handstand, hop full, Kolman, blind change, stoop full to Yamawaki and I think he did another release out of it but I looked down to type for a second not expecting anything else just to see him catching the bar again, RUDE!!! Hit the DDLO dismount, great routine overall. 13.850

6:08 pm. From the scores it appears Luis Porto fell before Mariano so they’ll have to count a fall. Looks like Arthur can’t even finish his routine? Maybe they’ll have him go again later?

6:06 pm. Arthur Mariano BRA HB: Endo full, stoop half, hop full, layout Tkachev to straddle Tkachev to straddle Tkachev half, yas, UGHHHH off on his Def and he looks potentially hurt?? Nope, just taking a minute to cry in his head I think. OH, his grip broke!! DRAMA. What a bummer. He just left the podium and I guess is like, awaiting new grips?

6:05 pm. Samuel Zakutney CAN VT: Roche, comes in a little low on the landing but stands up quickly out of it, pretty solid.

6:03 pm. Cory Paterson CAN VT: Another DTY, this one with a lunge back, he looked like he wanted to keep twisting but used that lunge to control it. Fantastic in the air. 14.050

6:01 pm. Justin Karstadt CAN VT: DTY with a big hop back, pretty solid in the air and he flares the landing a bit. 14.100

5:57 pm. ROTATION 1 TEAM STANDINGS

1. Brazil 43.150
2. Argentina 41.200
3. Canada 40.750
4. Mexico 38.750

ROTATION 1 ALL-AROUND STANDINGS

1. Caio Souza BRA 14.850
2. Arthur Mariano BRA 14.300
3. Daniel Villafañe ARG 14.200
4. René Cournoyer CAN 14.000
5. Francisco Barretto BRA 14.000
6. Santiago Mayol ARG 13.900
7. Tomás González CHI 13.900
8. Cory Paterson CAN 13.400

5:56 pm. Israel Chiriboga ECU FX: Double double, hop, really low/seated double front after, hops back. 2.5 to front full with a hop to the side. 1.5 to Rudi, skids it back a bit. Double full side pass, slides his feet together. Triple full, a bit short, takes a step over to the side to control it.

5:54 pm. Hit routine for Francisco Barretto on p-bars, he gets a 14.000…I think we’re watching him now in a replay. Just some ankle separation on one of his transitions but he has nice salto work, pretty well-stuck double pike dismount. Brazil will count three 14+ scores on this event!

5:52 pm. René Cournoyer CAN SR: Maltese, straddle planche, just a bit bobbly in a handstand after but he gets the control back quickly, double pike to double tuck to an L sit, no problems with his double double, whips it around quickly and goes a little crooked in the air but hits the landing easily and pretty upright, just a tiny hop. 14.000!

5:51 pm. Isaac Nuñez MEX HB: Big air on his Yamawaki, into an Endo to L grip, Kovacs, nice and tight, blindchanged to stoop through to Endo full, stalder to hop full, and then a clean full-twisting double layout, a little forward on the landing with a tiny hop. 13.100

5:50 pm. Caio Souza with a 14.850 on PB!

5:49 pm. Zachary Clay CAN SR: I missed the beginning, toward the end he was a bit arched in a handstand and then had a super low landing on his double double dismount, not sure if his hands touched…would like to see a replay/slo-mo of that but it was close. Here we go…yeah, his hands touched. 😦 12.700

5:48 pm. Some routines we missed…Arthur Mariano with a 14.300 on PB, Santiago Mayol with a 13.900 on VT, Tomás González with a 13.900 on floor, Cory Paterson with a 13.400 and Justin Karstadt with a 13.350 on rings.

5:46 pm. Daniel Villafañe ARG VT: Kaz 1.5, good! Some leg form but a solid landing. 14.200

Daniel Corral MEX HB: Yamawaki, stoop half, big Tkachev, then a Tkachev half, stoop into his L grip swing, then an Endo, full-twisting double layout with a hop back. Good routine.

5:44 pm. Andres Perez PUR PH: His scissor work at the beginning was a little jerky, but he picked up his rhythm after and had a nice solid set. Simple set, nothing flashy, and has one of those “is this a dismount or a fall” dismounts, but hit.

5:42 pm. Luis Porto BRA PB: I think we joined a couple seconds into this routine but so far so good from the looks of it. He has some hip stuff going on, but overall he’s pretty controlled, does the slowest press ever into handstand before his double pike dismount, little bounce. 13.050

5:41 pm. Joel Alvarez CHI FX: Triple full to start, and then a double tuck with a slight hop back. Front double full with a hop forward. He has like a pike sit hold for his strength work and SLAMS his legs down out of it, LOL. That was hilarious? Clean double full side pass, 1.5 to front full, and finishes with a 2.5. Pretty solid work throughout! Just not a super difficult set. 12.700

5:39 pm. The men actually have photos showing up on the live results for this! Exciting. Live results are here, but you have to click through to today’s meet to get them, I can’t link directly to gym.

5:37 pm. Athletes are marching out now! Should see competition in the next few minutes.

5:26 pm. The first subdivision of the men’s competition at Pan Am Games will feature Brazil, Mexico, Canada, and Argentina on the team side, as well as two mixed groups that feature Chile, El Salvador, Ecuador, the Dominican Republic, Uruguay, Puerto Rico, Guatemala, and Bolivia.

Brazil is the big team to watch here, but many of the men’s programs have the best of the best competing, and hoping especially that Canada will show a really strong performance as a preview of what we might expect from them at worlds this year. After their disappointment with not qualifying a team in 2016, they have another shot this year, and it’ll be tough, but 18th place in Doha last year is definitely a strong jumping off point for Tokyo, especially given that they were just a few points off from the top twelve.

15 thoughts on “2019 Pan American Games Live Blog | Men’s Qualifications, Subdivision 1

  1. I’m not sure why you think Arthur Mariano broke his grip? He was yelling about the equipment, ie the high bar itself. The base of the bar moved when he grabbed the bar in his full twisting Jaeger, you can see it in the replay. That’s why he got the redo.

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    • It looked like his grip was broken when he came off…he kept examining his wrist and then undid the supports on one arm and kept looking at his wrist again. I didn’t see the base of the bar move in the replay, but I was also typing 300 things at the time and following results so I miss things, lol. I usually don’t watch replays super closely because that’s my time to catch up on writing/looking up scores. I was also watching the Spanish broadcast and I don’t speak Spanish, and if commentators said anything about the equipment in an English broadcast, I obviously didn’t hear it.

      I just went by what I saw when he first fell, which was him undoing and examining his grips repeatedly, but obviously I miss things when my eyes are on three different screens at once (which is why I also thought he did a Def until I saw the second routine and realized it was a Jaeger full, and it’s why I often am like “either a back 2.5 or front double full on floor,” because I often look down at the blog screen to type during the “unimportant” parts and end up missing things like forward or backward entries into skills and apparently the high bar moving). Either way it was an equipment malfunction – whether his grip or the actual apparatus itself – and either could’ve warranted a redo.

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      • Well, actually, those are two very different things. A grip being broken is his equipment and it would not necessarily result in a redo as he should be responsible for his own equipment. The high bar is not his equipment and can’t be helped and would definitely result in a redo.

        Also, there is no need to be so rude or defensive, I was being perfectly polite in my response. I notice you are frequently very rude and defensive when people correct you.

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        • I didn’t think me explaining why I didn’t see what happened was rude? I’m just like hey, I have a thousand things that I’m doing and I miss things, it’s quite different from sitting on the couch and keeping your eyes on a TV the whole time. I guess that’s defensive but it’s also the truth, and you literally asked how I didn’t see it. Like…that’s how. SHRUG.

          Frankly as someone who is doing a million things to try to help share what’s happening in a meet, it’s rude to get a comment that says “I don’t know why you think he broke his grip.” Maybe it’s because I have my phone, my desktop computer, and my laptop all going at once and my eyes are constantly darting back and forth across three different screens. You could’ve said “btw it seems like it was the high bar, not his grip” but instead you were like HOW DIDN’T YOU SEE IT which is super condescending.

          As for the redo, I just know grip issues are sometimes allowed to get redos, which is why I brought up Randy Leru on rings last year. It’s not the same as the actual equipment breaking, but it does happen, and that’s why I typed in the blog “I wonder if he’ll get a redo” and mentioned Randy’s case. Obviously the actual apparatus breaking is an automatic redo, but when grips break, the federation can explain the situation and request a redo, and it’s happened before that these requests are approved.

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        • Since I know that you hate it, well, actually, if you would have been watching with commentary, it was pretty obvious. Bart and Kathy managed to catch it and they are also trying to do quite a lot of things at once.

          Anyway, I know your MO and I expect your next move will be to call me an assface and probably dox me. Would love to see you prove me wrong.

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        • But…I literally said that I wasn’t watching with commentary. Do you want me to go back in time and watch with commentary? Idk how else to explain it to you how I missed it, but guess what, I did.

          And WELL ACTUALLY, commentators have their eyes on the screen basically the entire time whilst talking, which is quite different from watching three screens whilst typing. Their eyes are on the screen while they speak. Mine aren’t always on the screen while I type and look at results. Commentators also have at least one person, if not more, bringing them printouts of results and whispering in their earpieces the important things that come up in case they miss anything. I know this because I’ve done this for commentators before (and trust me, they miss a LOT of things because it’s easy to miss something in gymnastics if you merely blink or cough or sneeze lol). They also have a producer running everything for them, and for me typing up commentary on a live blog, it’s just me…and because I’m at home and not in the arena, I often have things that come up that pull me away from the computer entirely, in which case I sometimes miss a lot of things (like almost the entire beginning of rotation five when I got a phone call).

          I’v never doxed anyone, lol, but go off I guess?

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        • You have most definitely doxed people and posted their names, jobs, etc to your twitter followers. So don’t lie and say you haven’t.

          As for the rest, all I’m saying is you could handle it more graciously. To be honest, I probably shouldn’t have used the word rude and should have just said defensive. The problem is that you are always defensive and frequently rude. I’m so used to seeing the two of them go hand in hand that when I saw the defensiveness, I was reading the rudeness into it even though I agree, you weren’t particularly rude this time. But in general, you don’t handle criticism very well and you are proving it now. Most people have it in their jobs and it’s something they have to deal with. There are many ways that you could have explained yourself that could have come across as less defensive. You can take or leave this advice from someone that I’m sure you just consider to be a rude, awful poster but I think you are letting yourself in for a very hard life this way.

          Anyway, peace out. Try to relax and realize that a little bit of criticism isn’t the end of the world.

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        • I’ve never posted anyone’s job on twitter? One time I posted someone’s name when he was harassing me regularly on Facebook (where he uses his full name so I don’t know what else to call him) and tweeting at gymnasts using MY full name to try to somehow get me “in trouble” with them (saying “LAUREN HOPKINS THINKS THIS ABOUT YOU” or some nonsense), but I literally just said “[name] is at it again” or something along those lines. I don’t know what his job is and if I did, I wouldn’t be like “here’s his personal information, get him fired!” or whatever because that’s insane.

          Yes, I’m defensive when someone says “how didn’t you see this?” condescendingly as if I’m stupid for missing it. I miss a lot of things. It took me a full rotation to realize that Jorge Vega had vaulted because I was only checking the AA scores and not the apparatus scores. Most people understand that I can’t do everything perfectly, but I get very defensive when people question me as if I’m somehow an idiot for missing something “obvious” when in reality I’m just trying to do a lot at once and it can be difficult to manage it all, especially when this isn’t my job and I often have a lot going on simultaneously outside of my blog.

          I get criticism all the time in my job not just from my boss and coworkers but from CEOs of the biggest luxury beauty/hospitality brands in the world, and I wouldn’t be good in my client-facing role if I didn’t know how to handle it (for the record, I’m pretty good at my job and my boss and clients think so, too…but I also make a lot of decisions on the fly that my clients don’t always agree with and that can make them INCREDIBLY critical, so trust, I’m used to it). Yes, it can be discouraging to get criticism at times when I think I made the right choice, and in these cases it can feel like an attack and so it’s a bummer to get it, but constructive criticism is valuable in becoming better at things. But constructive criticism and being rude are two very different things, and you can’t just say rude things and be like “shrug it’s CRITICISM, learn how to handle it!” lol. Your original post wasn’t merely critical, it was condescending and rude, and I defensively answered your question because you asked how it was possible for me to miss something. My response would’ve been wildly different if you had simply said “it wasn’t a grip issue, it was the equipment itself.” I get corrections all the time and when they’re corrections/criticisms, my responses are more than appropriate. But you’re right, when they’re rudely stated or accusatory or condescending, I get defensive of myself and the work I’m doing in response.

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        • Why would you tweet me saying “the original comment is rude but not you!” and then comment anonymously here that I’m a bitch? IPs are a thing FYI.

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        • Also, for the record, as the original Anonymous poster, I’m not the same one who posted the bitch comment. For the record. Not that it matters because I am anonymous. But the anonymouses can get confusing.

          And I would love to carry on this conversation with my real name but I have seen what Lauren does to people when she knows their real name.

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        • Yes, I know. That person is a troll who pretends to be various Ukrainian people but doesn’t understand IP addresses. Also, for the record, I know the troll’s name, but have yet to “dox” him. Shocking!

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  2. Thank you Lauren for your dedication and coverage! Some can’t/won’t give you the respect and decency you have earned, but I truly appreciate your site! I’ve learned so much from your posts and look forward to them every week!

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