You Asked, The Gymternet Answered

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It’s time for the 96th edition of You Asked, The Gymternet Answered! We apologize if we haven’t gotten to your question yet, but we try to answer in the order in which they were received (unless they are super relevant and need to be answered in a timely manner). Something you want to know? Ask us anonymously by going through the contact form at the bottom of the page.

Would it be possible to compete a beam routine just consisting of turns and two jumps? You could get 1.5 CR from that, so if you hit a routine like that close to perfection, could you get a score in the 10s? I remember gymnasts scoring around there and lower at worlds last year.

Well, first off, the gymnasts who got a 10 or lower at worlds last year weren’t necessarily just doing turns and two jumps…most either had low difficulty in general, or a couple of falls, or got penalized for short exercises (i.e. when you count fewer than seven skills in your routine).

But moving on to your question about a routine with all turns, you could conceivably do something with mostly turns and two jumps and a dismount, hit three of the five CRs (you’d miss the flight series and the forward and backward acro requirements), and still come out with a pretty decent score if your turns are high level enough. So, say you do a split jump to sissone to knock off the connected dance elements requirement…and then for turns you could do a Mitchell (E), double L (E), 2.5 wolf (E), triple pirouette (E), 1.5 Y (D), illusion (D), scorpion (D), and then throw a D dismount to get 1.5 CR + 3.6 skills to equal a 5.1 d-score…and you could add on a tiny bit from there with connection bonuses if you connect any of these turns.

With a 5.1 d-score, a great routine would be around a 14 total, a decent routine would be around 13, and a routine with a fall would be around a 12…all well above the 10 you’re hoping for. I believe there is a variety deduction, so you could get slapped with that from the e-score panel, but yeah. I really hope you’re planning on becoming an elite gymnast who specializes on beam with routines that feature only turns.

So, when is your next book coming out? I’m dying to know what happens next! Do you have an idea of your release date?

It’ll be in July sometime! I’m having issues with the cover being done in time so I’m just editing and re-editing until I know when that will be cleared up. I was hoping for the week before U.S. Olympic Trials but now it looks like it won’t be until later in the month. The title is When It Counts and I’m excited for everyone to see what happens!

Is there a back-up plan for the Olympics? Brazil says it can’t pull off the Olympics due to economic crisis. I can’t find any statement by the IOC about a back-up plan, like hosting them in London or Madrid where they have the facilities and planners.

I haven’t heard of anything related to a back-up plan…usually something like that would’ve been decided long before now and I’m pretty sure the IOC does regular checks on the progress and while they haven’t been entirely pleased with how things are coming along, there hasn’t been anything from them saying it’s getting shut down and moved elsewhere. If that was the case, they would’ve made that decision way before one month out. The Games are happening in Rio, economic crisis or not.

What is your opinion on all of the Viktoria Komova controversies (claiming she deserved the all-around golds in 2011 and in 2012, and that both Jordyn Wieber and Gabby Douglas were overscored)?

I always think that the girls who win the medals are the one who ‘deserved’ to win the medals they got. I don’t believe Jordyn and Gabby were overscored, and I think the finish was so close, it honestly shows how they were all really on the same level anyway. In 2011, it was going to be close no matter what. I think Jordyn’s mistake on bars inspired over-confidence in Viktoria and maybe caused her to get a bit lazy on her final two events, but while Jordyn had one large mistake with her form break on bars, her day was otherwise excellent whereas Viktoria ended up with lots of little mistakes that really added up. Viktoria wobbled on most of her beam skills and also had bad landings on all of her floor passes. The gold was hers to lose after the first two rotations, and with Jordyn easily able to make up that ground by killing it on her final two events, Viktoria probably thought “I have it in the bag” which is why her attention to detail on her own final two was kind of shoddy. Jordyn fought for it, Viktoria did not.

That same attitude followed her through to 2012, where she showed several times that she gives up far too easily on skills (most notably on her vault and beam in the all-around final) and we actually saw this in the 2015 team final as well, where she had a totally nonchalant “we still got this” attitude even going into the final rotation after falling twice. She always seems to realize too late that oh yes, these mistakes actually do matter. I remember her face all three times when assuming she’d clinched the wins in 2011 and 2012 and a team medal last year, and then seeing it turn to “oh crap” when things ended up not working out her way. It’s almost like she’s too confident in her lead or her ability to win, and doesn’t think she needs to fight for the little things, which is why she gives so much away…and each time, they come back to bite her. I think in 2012, she was easily the most talented gymnast in the all-around field. Again, I really think that gold medal was hers to lose, and she lost it because of how she performed, not because anyone else was overscored.

If Ksenia Afanasyeva misses Rio, who would you pick to join Aliya Mustafina and Angelina Melnikova for Team Russia?

Assuming Maria Paseka is back in good health and hitting her routines (she seemed to be getting there on vault this week, at least), I’d definitely take her. I’d also probably take Daria Spiridonova given that Viktoria Komova is also out (she’s earned the chance to fight for a bars gold with her nearly flawless performances between 2014 and now), and then I’d want Seda Tutkhalyan for that last spot. Even though she’s proven time and again that she can’t hit beam at major international meets, she might be worth the risk because if she does hit, it’s a huge score…and honestly, their beam is so weak right now, her scores with falls are better than almost anyone else’s scores with hit routines. Plus, she adds a decent enough DTY, one of their better floor scores (especially in the absence of Afanasyeva), and she showed in the Russian Cup all-around final just how good she can be when she goes four-for-four (though in event finals was like “just kidding” because she’s Seda and we can’t have nice things).

How will Martha Karolyi decide who will do the all-around in qualifications at the Olympic Games (besides Simone Biles)? Will it be primarily based on results from P&Gs or who finishes second at trials or a combination of both? Or will it be based on who has the highest d-score?

Well, the U.S. can have three all-arounders go up in qualifications, because it’s four-up three-count, so they won’t have to choose only two among the five. Most likely, she will choose similarly to how she decided in 2012. Even though four gymnasts then could do the all-around (Jordyn Wieber, Gabby Douglas, Aly Raisman, and Kyla Ross), she went with those who had the best all-around potential based on how they performed all summer between nationals and trials, and then used Ross as a specialist. This summer, because so many of the gymnasts are performing at about the same level, it’s not going to be an easy decision, which is why she’ll also likely be keeping a close eye on how they perform at the ranch as well as in podium training, and then make a last-minute decision, similar to how she decided at worlds last year when the choice for the third all-around spot was between Aly and Maggie Nichols. Sometimes in these decisions, because they’re so far ahead as a team, they sacrifice a good one-event score so an all-arounder can get in (like with Maggie’s bars being much stronger than Aly’s last year but Aly going up in qualifications because she was showing she was the stronger in the all-around), so it won’t necessarily be an easy decision like “okay, you’re the top three on beam, so you all go on beam.” Much more will factor in, especially with everyone so close, so I think it’ll just come down to whoever’s looking the most consistent.

What do you make of the discrepancy between Angelina Melnikova’s scores at Russian Championships and her scores at European Championships? The difference seems like a large variation despite there being no big mistakes at Euros.

The difference is that the first day of Russian Championships was so overscored, everyone there got fantasy scores, basically. The judges did a good job of getting their lives together on the second day, but I seriously went through and compared everyone – even the lower level girls who were earning around 52 and lower – and on average, there was a two point difference between all-around performances in qualifications and finals. Seriously, for almost every single competitor. Like, Seda Tutkhalyan was breaking 15 on floor when in reality she gets around 14.1 for that routine internationally when she hits. It was a dream score day for everyone. I do think Melnikova with a fully hit day is capable of getting around a 59, so her day two scores at Russian Championships seem pretty legit but yeah, whenever I look at the day one scores I’m like what were you doing?! The qualification day at that meet also acted as the team final, so maybe they were just going overboard for that sense, since there are a lot of rivalries between the different districts in Russia?

Similar to the stick bonus on vault, do you think the code of points should be redone to provide bonus points in scenarios where gymnasts perform skills flawlessly? I feel like the current code only encourages gymnasts to perform a skill in a way where they won’t get deducted heavily, which is different than gymnasts being encouraged to perform textbook skills. Should gymnasts that have that very good technical execution get a reward?

Technically a high execution score IS the incentive to perform textbook skills. Your incentive is to go out there and be perfect and get a 10.0 execution, which is why even without a stick bonus or a “perfect form” bonus, gymnasts still fight for that form and for those sticks. The threat of a one-tenth deduction for moving your feet on a landing when competitions are sometimes won by hundredths of points is more than enough to get girls working hard to hold onto those tenths and not give anything away. Even though it’s the opposite of a bonus system, it still works the same way. Like, a gymnast’s job on vault is to keep her legs together and body straight, get a good block and air time, point her feet, and nail the landing. The incentive of doing all of this perfectly is a perfect score. I don’t think they really need additional bonus incentives on top of that because gymnasts that have very good technical execution do get a reward – a higher execution score than someone without good technical proficiency. And that can really make a difference.

Is there a time limit on bars?

There is only a time limit if you fall. If this happens, a gymnast has 30 seconds to go re-chalk or adjust her grips or do whatever she needs to do in order to get mentally prepared to start again, and judges usually give a 10 second warning. If a gymnast doesn’t return within 30 seconds, a penalty is incurred. Though there is no routine time limit, only eight skills are counted into a routine, so that is limiting in a way. I think most routines end up being somewhere in the 35 second range on average, though you will get some that are a bit shorter and others that are seemingly endless. I think the fact that you have to be constantly swinging kind of acts as a self-timer, whereas on beam and floor where you can stop and pause, they use the timer to make sure you cram all of your skills in efficiently without waiting a full ten seconds from one skill to the next.

I am wondering which skill causes gymnasts to fall off beam the most, and then I wonder if it’s because they weren’t ready for it, or because this skill is the most difficult under pressure.

I did a kind of study on this a few years ago using one of the U.S. Classic meets and found that there was a mix of skills, not one in particular, that caused the most trouble. It probably depends on the gymnast and how nervous she is, because while it would seem that really difficult acro skills cause the most drama, often gymnasts who are fighting nerves tend to fall on things like leaps and full turns (like this year at nationals, Deanne Soza – who is normally fabulous on beam – fell on a switch leap, something she can probably do in her sleep). Sometimes there are falls when gymnasts introduce new elements they haven’t competed before…even though they’re ready for them in the gym, performing them on a podium in front of judges is a different story. The majority of coaches don’t have gymnasts chucking skills they can’t physically do, but something that looks great in the gym might not always translate to competitive routines, so this can account for some falls as well.

What are your thoughts on gymnasts who are unsuccessful in making it to the Olympics but stick around for the next quad, a la Alicia Sacramone? Do you think someone like Ashton Locklear, who doesn’t have a great shot at Rio, could potentially nab an event specialist spot for 2020 if she stays healthy? Is it too difficult to stay competitive for another four years?

I love when gymnasts give it another shot, which is why I’ve been so unbelievably impressed with MyKayla Skinner and Brenna Dowell in this quad. Both could’ve been like “that’s enough” after 2012, where Brenna didn’t make the Olympic team and MyKayla didn’t even make it to trials, but both came back better than ever the following year and continued to grow as gymnasts this quad. Even though team spots probably aren’t going to work out for them this year, they wanted another shot and they fought for it, which is amazing. Gymnastics isn’t all about making the Olympic team, and even if it doesn’t work out for you, the fight ends up being something you can be proud of, especially if it shows how far you’ve come. If MyKayla and Brenna gave up after 2012, they wouldn’t have world gold medals and wouldn’t have gotten to experience everything they did this quad.

So for Ashton or any of this year’s girls who miss out come back next quad, even if it’s not a direct path to the Olympics, there’s so much else they can accomplish along the way. It’s impossible to say right now whether Ashton could make it in 2020 because you never know (a) what would happen with her own physical/mental ability to compete, or (b) what the depth is going to be like and who’s going to come up and challenge her for a spot. Ashton might still be getting similar scores on bars, but you never know who will come out of the box between now and then. It’d be awesome to see her give it a shot next quad, but again, not knowing what that field will be like, I can’t say if she’ll make it or not. Four years ago everyone was saying Katelyn Ohashi and Lexie Priessman would lead this year’s team, so it’s probably best to just maybe not do super early predictions and get your hopes up about them.

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31 thoughts on “You Asked, The Gymternet Answered

  1. If my memory serves me correctly, Skinner is a ’97 baby so she would not have been eligible for the 2012 games like Dowell was.

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  2. If Komova had fought for her vault landing at the Olympics she would have beat Douglas. But she didn’t, she completely stepped off the mat.

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    • and she was overscored for that vault even with all of the errors. she did not deserve to beat Douglas; it was a mediocre performance throughout.

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      • Komovas vault wasn’t over scored, she got a 15.8 in TF with one foot out, so two extra steps and her other foot out as well pretty much rounded down to another 4 tenths. In the All around her day wasn’t mediocre, with the exception of vault, she did an amazing job on the other three events. In TF she fought for the vault landing, but she gave up in AA. With Komova, it wasn’t so much that she never fought, it’s that she fought sometimes but not others. In the AA she could’ve saved it on vault and didn’t. Yet later that day on beam, it’s not true that she gave up because she did fight for her Arabian and her other skills on beam, while she completely gave up in EF. Like in the event finals on beam, she was really off when she first fell, so it is possible that she would’ve fallen off anyway, but she definitely could’ve given a little more effort in staying on. When she came back in 2015, her mental state completely changed. In Baku she wasn’t having a good day by any means, but she attacked every skil, mistake or not and still managed to stay on. The Russian cup was a similar story and at worlds I think she was thinking too far ahead in Team finals which caused her falls, but put so much effort to stay on the beam in the event finals.

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      • In London, Komova’s D-scores were 0.2 higher than Douglas’ D-scores. Douglas got 62.232 and Komova 61.973. At UB, Douglas made many little errors and her E score was 0.267 higher than Komova who had a nearly perfect execution. It is difficult to explain. Moreover, during the qualifications, Douglas hit her UB and got 0.4 less than for the AA final. UB were the lock of her victory.
        Komova didn’t give up : her last event, floor, was absolutely fantastic.
        Douglas E-scores were inflated at UB and floor (many erros on leaps).

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        • Komova lost it the second she landed her vault. It’s like she didn’t even try. She dug herself a hole and had to climb out of it, exactly what Wieber did the year earlier. She did a good job hitting the remainder of her routines, but she had one glaring mistake and Gabby didn’t. The ranking was correct. Had Komova cared enough to land her vault properly, she would’ve won the title, and probably by a tenth. And no one would’ve argued that she was the deserving champion.

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      • Louise, again, you are here trashing the American team. It’s not a good look. Komova’s routine was “nearly perfect”? Watch again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEr7AvIDpOA

        1. Misses handstand at 0:27
        2. Legs are not straight on pirouette at 0:29
        3. Legs are not straight again on pirouette at 0:36
        4. Not on handstand at 0:46
        5. 3/10 step on dismount

        Compare to Gabby’s routine:

        1. Starts turning before she is at handstand at 0:11 and again around 0:15
        2. Misses handstand at 0:34
        3. 1/10 step on dismount

        To my eye, the difference in E score was quite fair. Ultimately, Gabby’s margin came on vault. Komova’s vault was poor. There’s no other way to explain it. Lauren and others have already explained that. Gabby had no major errors the whole night. Komova did. Why should someone who makes a major mistake beat someone who doesn’t make a major mistake when their routines are roughly comparable in difficulty?

        I don’t expect to appease you or any other anti-American Europeans. Haters are going to hate. At the end of the day, the results speak for themselves.

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      • It’s absolutely stupid to say I’m hating “Americans”. First US is NOT America, just a country in a continent. Second, I love US gymnastics but I can keep a critical/analytical mind on it, exactly as I have a critical/analytical look on everything in life. You seem to be a patriotic fan, I am not. And I think Douglas was overscored in London. I think I am free to express that view.
        I’m not hating, there is no passion for me : I have a very detached point of view. It is very interesting to see how the patriotic fans (of all countries) cannot bear any dissident point of view.
        And I love Gabby Douglas as a person. I appreciate very much what she did for US gymnastics. It’s not her fault if she was overscored by some judges. And to be overscored doesn’t mean that she didn’t deserve her gold medal.

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      • And, dear Matthew Boyle, there is something else. Komova was just the best gymnast in the world in 2011-2012. And it is just a pity that she was not the Olympic Champion. Simone Biles is the best gymnast and has been for the end of 2012, and it would be a pity if she wasn’t the Olympic champion. US team is at the moment the best team in the world and, if this team fails in Rio because of falls or errors, it would be a shame. I think it is very important to keep this in mind, because that is the love of the sport, of the soul of the sport, above the nationality of all these amazing athlets.

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      • By what possible measure was Komova the best gymnast of 2011 and 2012? The only all around competition she won was one Russian Cup (2012). She didn’t even win the Russian Cup in 2011. Jordyn Wieber won two US championships (against stiffer competition than Komova’s Russian Cup field), two American Cups, the Pan Pacifics in 2012, and Worlds in 2011.

        The fact that you compared Komova, in all seriousness, to Simone and/or the US team is just absolutely ludicrous. Komova won nothing of import in her whole career other than two golds on UB at worlds. She was a great bar worker, but incredibly inconsistent on other events. She wasn’t the betting favorite going into the Olympics. Jordyn was, and even Jordyn wasn’t anywhere near the same class of Simone and the current US team. Jordyn wasn’t even as much of a favorite as Shawn was in 2008.

        Furthermore, “American” is the proper adjective for the United States of America and its citizens. It does not ever refer to any sort of continent. Canadians are not Americans even though Canada is part of North America. Canadians are “North Americans”, as are Mexicans, as are Americans. That’s the term the world uses.

        If you think Gabby was overscored in London, it follows that you think Komova should have won gold, and therefore that Gabby didn’t deserve to win. I can see the argument that Komova should have beaten Jordyn Wieber in 2011 worlds, because Jordyn had a form break that Komova didn’t. I do not see the argument that Komova should have beaten Gabby in the Olympics. I think people have an irrational dislike of Gabby because she came out of nowhere in the last month of the quad and upset the proverbial apple cart. Rationally, Gabby had the best day in the all around. She had her best performance of her career by a good margin, and deserved her gold medal.

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        • “Best gymnast” =/= titles. Komova was a total package gymnast in 2011 and 2012 but never actually lived up to what could have been a very high standard. If Simone didn’t win at the Games for whatever reason, she’d still be considered the best gymnast of this quad. A title isn’t always demonstrative of the best but rather the best on that given day.

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      • Louise you are truly killing me lol. Please stop comparing Komova to Simone. It’s insulting to Simone. You are correct that Simone will still be the best gymnast of the quad even without the Olympic title. That’s because Simone won 3 world titles in a row plus 5 other event gold medals and other silvers and bronzes. No one else comes close. Komova is more like Bailie Key–a pretty, thin white girl that old-school gym fans salivate over and heap undue praise on because she looks like a ballerina from the olden days said fans long for. Komova is of course much better than Key and has had a great career. But the best of the quad? Not by a long stretch.

        Titles do equal best. That’s how you measure sports. This is not ballet. It is not subjective. It is objective. Victoria won 1 gold medal at an international event in the 09-12 quad, plus 2 silvers. You can claim she was the next Nadia Comaneci all you want, but as you yourself admit, she didn’t live up to the potential you saw. To me, the reality is she isn’t as good as her fans would have us believe. Consistency and the ability to handle pressure are both huge components of gymnastics, and Komova lacked both. I agree that you cannot judge a sport based on one competition; hence I am not arguing Gabby was the best of the quad, but both Jordyn Wieber and Aliya Mustafina accomplished more in the last quad than Komova did.

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        • Actually gymnastics is a subjective sport, and while wins do matter a great deal, there is so much beyond that can decide what a great gymnast is. Deanne Soza is the best technical junior gymnast in the world right now but can’t compete mentally and finished something like 20th at nationals. She may never go down as one of the greatest in the sense of winning and even making teams, but she will be “great” in other terms. In 2012 during the Olympic Games, the top five gymnasts in the world were Wieber, Mustafina, Douglas, Raisman, and Komova. If you break that down even further, it was probably Komova, Douglas, and Wieber. These five could compete every day for a five day period and a different gymnast could win each meet. That’s how close they were. If qualifications were the AA final, Komova would’ve won. If they competed one more all-around meet, maybe Wieber would’ve won. At some point, everyone is equally good and it comes down to miniscule things that don’t decrease how “great” a gymnast is. Komova taking a large step on her vault doesn’t mean she’s not “great.” It means she made a mistake when it counted, and had she not taken those steps, she would’ve beat Gabby. They’re both great. The conversation is meaningless right now because it’s over, but Komova and Douglas were equally great. an Olympic title made Douglas the best on that day, but not the best, period, no questions asked.

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      • Lauren, my comment was in response to Louise saying “Komova was just the best gymnast in the world in 2011-2012”. I would like to keep our focus on that comment. Louise didn’t say Komova was as great as Douglas. Louise said Komova was the best, singular, full stop. Louise didn’t say “to me, personally, Komova was the best” she said, as fact, Komova was the best. If we are talking in the realm of facts, then we must prove or disprove this hypothesis using other facts that can be measured or tested. In the world of athletics, your results in competition are the only facts that matter. Komova’s results over the years she competed simply do not justify a statement as strong as “she was just the best gymnast in the world in 2011-2012.” Such a statement can only be based on subjective opinion. As such, “best” is not an appropriate word, and “favorite” should be substituted, in my opinion.

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      • Yes Gymnastics is a subjective sport and subjectivity is the essence of that sport. What is incredible in Biles is not only the incredible difficulty of her skills but her insane ease, grace, style. The code of points is pure subjective decisions, all of us know it. Komova/Douglas has nothing to do with the color of skin. I am black, African from Ivory Coast, an old French colony, daughter of migrants and a postcolonialist academic. I am not a Komova’s fan, I just think in London her UBs was the most wonderful of the last 10 years. Thank you Komova ! Everybody can disagree with me, no problem. When a person says that comparing Komova with Biles is an insult to Biles, this person just shows he/she/they is a pathetic hater.

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      • Matthew Boyle wants an arithmetical demonstration about who was the best gymnast in 2011-2012. I am not convinced that it is a very smart issue but we can count the points.
        In 2011 and 2012, Komova and Douglas met in two competitions : world championships in Tolyo (2011) and Olympic games in London (2012). In Tokyo, Douglas was not qualified for the all around final, so we can just compare the scores of the two women at the all around qualifications. Douglas got 57,657 and Komova 60,157. Both were qualified for the UB final : Komova got 15,5 and Douglas 14,2. At the Olympic games, at the all-around qualifications, Komova got 60,632 and Dougla 60,265. And at the all around final, Komova got 61,973 and Douglas 62,232. Moreover, he two women fought for the Olympic title at UB and beam. At UB, Komova got 15,666 and Douglas 14,900. Concerning beam, unfortunately both of the falled : Komova got 13,166 and Douglas 13,632.
        Now, let me add up : according to my computer, the Komova’s total is 227,058 and Douglas is 222,886. So according such a narrow-minded evaluation, I can say that Komova was not my favourite gymnast but the BEST gymnast during 2011-2012 (considering that Wieber was not qualified for the AA in London nor for any event finals, and Komova beat Mustafina plenty of times in domestic competitions).
        Dear Matthew Boyle, I hope that proving my hypothesis, I reassured you.

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    • I just re-watched that vault and it’s still bizarre. Forget stepped, she basically wandered around. Douglas got five-tenths ahead on vault alone and that negated Komova’s bars advantage. To me, 2012 was pretty straightforward, esp compared to 2011: one athlete had a big mistake and one didn’t.

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      • Louise, I’m curious here–not about the whole Komova/Douglas issue, everyone is entitled to their opinion–but what are Americans supposed to call ourselves (I’m not trying to be snarky or sarcastic as I write this, by the way)? Citizens of the United States of America? United Statesians? Statesmen? American just works better. I apologize, but this an issue I’ve been trying to understand better, as I have a relation who married into the family that is from a South American country who snapped at my mother when she asked him how he liked living in America (he’d recently moved to the States with my cousin). I’ve yet to have the chance to talk to him about this. We realize we are part of a continent, but the name of our country is the United States of America. Our founders weren’t enlightened enough to think ahead to this point, and let’s be real, they probably didn’t care about continents or other countries when they came up with that name. I’m not trying to be rude here, like I said above, I’m honestly curious and interested in hearing your opinion. I’m sorry if this isn’t gymnastics related enough!

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  3. I’m curious what you think about the concept of sacrificing a good one-event score for an AA chance when the event score might actually have implications for EF. To me, there is a difference between the situation with Aly/Maggie last year and the dilemma they have this year, because coming into worlds most people probably would have had Maggie at 5th on the bars depth chart (w/Maddie, Gabby, Brenna fighting for EF spots and then Simone>Maggie as well). So I didn’t see it as a huge deal then to leave Maggie off bars, because it was only affecting her AA chances and not also costing her a realistic chance at the bars final. But what about this year, when sitting either Laurie or especially Gabby out of bars might actually prevent that girl from qualifying to the EF? I don’t like Laurie’s bars and don’t see her getting the same kinds of scores she’s getting at home, but she has a 6.5 so she’s still in the conversation to make EF, as is Gabby obviously.

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    • I think Simone, Aly and Laurie all should get a chance at AA, then it´s up to Karoly if she wants to give Gabby a chance at AA or Kocian a chance for a UB medal (if this is the 5 that will make the team as everyone seem to think) 🙂

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  4. I really disagree with Komova/Wieber in 2011 Worlds. Wieber had the highest difficulty, she was supposed to win and she was the one who fucked up and almost lost not Komova lol. They both nailed their own event (bars for Komova and beam for Wieber), they both did their vault well, and then Wieber really fucked up bars and had mistakes on floor (that are always ignored, idk why) and Komova had a lot of small mistakes on beam and floor but she still did better than Wieber overall, she just had a lower difficulty. She was just back from an injury (she barelly got her routines back in time) and she always had trouble with beam and floor (still does). I don’t know how struggling on those events is being overconfident, it was expected. I don’t know what people have against Komova, yes she doesn’t fight when she could (and yes it is frustrating) but she definitely isn’t overconfident if anything I feel like it is the opposite. She seems to be very hard on herself like after London when she something like “sorry to be a failure, I’m the worst”, etc.. and after the aa (2011&2012) she always said that she didn’t deserved the gold.

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    • I have nothing against Komova. She and Wieber were on the same level coming into worlds and both were expected to win. I actually expected Komova would win. But really, at the end of the day, she came away from vault and bars with a huge lead and at that point, the gold was hers to lose. She won those first two events. But whereas Wieber approached the second half of the meet with a HUGE fight to come back from her one mistake, Komova spent the remainder of the meet bobbling on every beam skill and having bad landings on every pass on floor. And she walked away from floor with a “yup, I just won this thing” look on her face despite a…not great performance. It’s not giving up but it’s thinking too soon that she’s the clear winner and letting little things slide that she probably would’ve been more strict about had her lead not been as strong. Seriously, all she had to do was hit clean routines, and that title was easily hers after Wieber’s fall. She didn’t.

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      • You’re right about that look on her face. It’s one reason I was unsympathetic to how upset she was–because she and everyone on her team (I remember Afan giving her a WTF? look, as though no one could even conceive that Komova might not win it) just bought into the assumption that she had it in the bag. And that floor was so sloppy! I love her gymnastics but just because she’s skinny doesn’t mean she’s by definition elegant–those landings were bad.She was better in London–at least on floor she went out there and gave it her ALL–but still she gave it away on vault. I lovelovelove her gymnastics and would love for her to come back but she has to ditch the “I/we are owed this” attitude–she really didn’t do herself any favors after the team final in Glasgow.

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  5. The Russian federation has been accused of doling and mishandling as a whole nation of athletes. How is it the the gymnastics program as a whole has not been tarnished or banned ?

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  6. Hey 🙂 I’m wondering why the US Team is allowed THREE alternates for the Olympic Team but every other country only ONE? Like Germany only nominated Pauline Tratz as their alternate but the US has Skinner, Smith and Locklear.

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