11 thoughts on “The Top International WAG Scores of the Quad”

1. This is interesting and must have involved tons of work cataloguing various routines. Thanks!

   I’m guessing that each athlete’s highest score is the one reflected on the sheet, even if they might’ve had other top scores that would’ve qualified them to this list? So, for example, Simone Biles’s highest AA score was from 2018 Worlds Qualifying, but she had other scores between her highest score and Suni Lee’s score from the 2020 Tokyo Olympic AA final, right? And those just aren’t included because the list would be unwieldy?

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   • Thank you! You’re correct, I just included each athlete’s top score. If you were to look at the full spreadsheet, Simone actually has the top 8 international scores (2018 Worlds QF, 2019 Worlds TF, 2019 Worlds QF, 2019 Worlds AA, 2018 Worlds TF, and 2019 Stuttgart World Cup, 2021 Olympics QF, and 2018 Worlds AA, in that order) so I didn’t want to include the top 100 here and have only like, 10 athletes on the list between Simone and other Americans, Russians, and a few other individuals thrown in!

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2. Just in case anyone doubted that Simone Biles was the most dominant athlete in the world, consider the gap between her and the second-placed gymnasts in AA, vault and floor.

   In AA, the margin between Biles and Sunisa Lee (Olympic gold medal winner in this event) in second place was 3.532 points. This margin is greater than the margin between Lee and the gymnast in 49th place, Ou Yushan. In other words, Biles was further ahead of Lee than Lee was ahead of the 49th-placed all-around gymnast.

   In vault, the margin between Biles and Jade Carey in second place was 0.466 points. This is almost exactly equal to the gap between Carey and the 10th-placed vaulter, Shallon Olsen.

   In floor, the margin between Biles and Jade Carey in second place was 0.733 points. This margin exceeded the gap between Carey and the 10th-placed floor competitor by 0.383 points. In other words, Biles was much further ahead of Carey than Carey was ahead of the 10th-placed floor competitor.

   Name another athlete in the world so far ahead in their field that their winning margin exceeds the gap between the next 50 competitors.

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   • Wilt Chamberlain

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3. Sunisa Lee is a flash in the pan

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   • How so?

     Suni went to one Worlds and one Olympics.
     In 2019 she was 2nd AA in TQ and would have had an AA medal if not for her UB fall. She won AA gold in 2021 and would have been 2nd had Biles not withdrawn.
     In 2019 she won FX silver and UB bronze, she repeated UB bronze in Tokyo and came super close to medaling on UB.

     She is a 6x World and Olympic medalist with 1 gold, 1 silver, and 1 bronze from each of her Worlds and Olympics appearances. Her 6 medals tie her with Kim Zmeskal, Gabby Douglas, and Kyla Ross in 9th place as most decorated gymnast from the USA.

     So calling her a flash in the pan is absolutely incorrect because she easily repeated her Worlds success with her Olympics success. She is right up there with the top tier of US ladies with only two appearances at a Worlds or Olympics. Plus she has more international medals than a majority of elite gymnasts at the moment.

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     • Still a flash in the pan gymnast. She won’t be around for the next Olympics.

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       • You are incorrect.

         “Flash in the pan” means “not repeatable”.
         She repeated her medal performance from Worlds at the Olympics two years later.

         Your rationale of “won’t be around for the next Olympics” is silly. How many Olympic medalists only went to one Olympics, too numerous to count. Even American medalists who went to one Olympics are too many to list.

         Try again.

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4. I see how inconsistent this quad’s scoring is across years, especially a lot of top scores come from 2017 which is a really weak year in retrospect.

   Basically, judging really tightened up by a lot and everyone’s execution is hammered. In 2021, E-scores of 8.0 basically means that the routine is very good. If this trend continues, are we all be applauding 7+ routines next quad?

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   • I would say until we got to worlds in 2017, the scoring was atrocious regardless of what meet it was…domestic, world cups, continental championships, friendly meets, it was ALL over the place, and then finally at worlds the judges were like “okay, let’s reel this in” lol. There were still a few other meets in 2017 after worlds that were a little out of control, but I think especially for beam, 2017 worlds was the turning point and taught judges what beam deductions (and how they should award CV/difficulty) should actually look like.

     I’ve heard that judges are going to be tightening up even further this quad, especially on beam and floor. I’m sure there will still be some messy scores at the start of the quad, but I know Donatella Sacchi held an online course to help judges figure out the new code and I’m hoping it won’t take as long for them to know how they should be evaluating routines this time around.

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   • Yes it was very inconsistent scoring.
     This was especially evident this year.

     Tokyo hit routines got 7.5-7.6 for execution and breaking 8.0 was a challenge.
     Meanwhile, at Worlds scoring was much more lenient, particularly on beam and floor. Wong got an 8.300 on execution on beam and FX at Worlds. That would have not been the case in Tokyo for example.
     The judges at Worlds were less strict with dance elements without a doubt.

     This is something that needs to change immediately. As a gymnast you should show up at a major international event and wonder how sharp the judges’ pens are. It should be consistent from year to year within a code of points.

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