You Asked, The Gymternet Answered

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Rebecca Bross

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While watching a YouTube video, Rebecca Bross seemed unusually accident prone. She had so many hard falls in competitions. Do you think she had a tendency to choke or her coaches were pushing her to do too many difficult skills?

I don’t think she was really accident prone. She sometimes competed skills that were a bit too beyond her capabilities, and it led to a lot of crashes and injuries, and I’m sure there was probably some sort of mental block for some of these skills at times, like with the Patterson beam dismount in particular. Not always being quite physically prepared enough to get it around combined with any mental block issues or other struggles at times is definitely a recipe for falls.

I got to speak with Bross about the Patterson at trials in 2012, and she said keeping it as her dismount was important to her, because she wanted to prove to herself that she could hit it. I think she had opportunities to change it, but knowing she wasn’t going to make the Olympic team, her personal goals that summer switched from making the team to hitting the dismount. I loved hearing that from her, because I had previously thought she was being forced to compete it and I was constantly wondering why her coaches didn’t just let her downgrade and make her life easier, but it was Bross who was adamant about keeping it even though it sometimes led to heartache. I also loved that she had the insight to know that the Olympics were no longer within her reach, but that she still had a fire in her that pushed her to keep going for another reason beyond London, and knowing that, seeing her finally nail the dismount in trials made me so happy for her even if her bigger dreams didn’t work out.

Of course, she fell on simpler elements at times as well, and it was always a bummer when it happened at key moments of her career – like in the final moments of her all-around performance at worlds – so there could definitely be something more going on there in terms of a mental block…but I think most of what she fell on ended up being things that were just too difficult for her, and not necessarily always, but just at certain points in her career. Like, her Yurchenko double was usually fine and not something where I was ever like, “WHY IS SHE COMPETING THIS?!” But I remember there was a period leading up to nationals in 2011 where she basically hadn’t trained at all for several weeks and wasn’t anywhere near full strength, so I question why the double had to happen in that case, especially knowing that it resulted in a devastating injury. But there were also times where her more difficult skills looked great, so I think it was less about their difficulty and more about her sometimes being at a lower level of preparation, and not downgrading when she possibly should have.

What made Auburn so good last year? I get it, Suni Lee is amazing, but she’s only one score out of five.

I think Auburn has been building over the past few years and getting a a big catch like Lee not only added big scores from her to their mix, but I think heightened them as a team for the judges. Reputation matters, especially in the SEC, and so I’m not exactly saying that the addition of Lee made the judges start to pay more attention, but I do think the combination of Auburn’s program growing over the few years before she arrived in addition to her getting on campus raised their status considerably and they started getting more love from the judges in the way other programs already were. Auburn has had tons of excellent routines over the past decade that I’ve been watching them, and I always thought many of their gymnasts were underscored compared to gymnasts at Florida, LSU, and other top programs, so I think that reputation boost made their already stellar routines get a bit more attention than they did previously, putting them more on par with the top teams even though they were kind of always pretty close.

I was wondering if you knew anything about whether the rumors about Gabby Douglas being back in the gym are true?

I believe that they’re true. Gymcastic posted that this is according to “multiple sources” and while I don’t know who these sources are, I first heard rumors that she was training again back in August. While I was intrigued and spent a couple of hours putting feelers out to hopefully find more info, I felt like it was so far-fetched I didn’t take it all that seriously and completely forgot about it! Basically, a bunch of coaches at national congress this summer were talking about her training in Texas, but they were using language like “it’s just for fun,” “she missed it so she decided to play around in the gym,” and “she’s only doing conditioning.” I initially heard that she was at Metroplex, but Gymcastic is saying WOGA, so I assume based on those earlier gossipy rumors I had heard and now Gymcastic separately bringing it up two months later from likely an entirely different set of sources, there’s got to be some truth to it.

My feelings are that she is probably testing the waters with what she can still do, and is keeping some mystery around it while she’s still in the early stages of a potential comeback. This way, if her goal is to ultimately return to elite but it doesn’t work out for some reason she can quietly back out and say that it was just for fun without having to deal with people being nasty and judgmental, as people are wont to do with gym comebacks. But if things are going well and it’s looking like she can make a legitimate push to compete at the national level again, then that’s when we’ll probably get a more official announcement directly from her. Some people are saying “maybe she’s just doing adult classes for fun?” but I don’t think she (or anyone?) would move to Dallas to train at a premier elite gym “just for fun” which is why I think she’s serious but just in the early stages and not ready to commit to anything on a public level.

Did Ashley Postell retire from elite after 2003? With her routines from 2003 she definitely could have made the Olympic team but she wasn’t anywhere to be seen. What happened there?

She continued competing in 2004, including at nationals, but she had a fall on bars at that competition and finished 13th. Because of her low ranking, she missed the all-around cutoff for trials, and though she later got a spot when Nicole Harris withdrew due to injury, she had previously accepted that she wouldn’t be going and so she ended up taking a break from training after nationals. This left her unable to have enough time to prepare at a high level, so she turned down the spot, with Katie Heenan going in her place. Nationals that year ended up being Postell’s final elite competition before her retirement, but she was able to join the team at Utah just in time for the 2004-2005 season.

When does the qualifying world cup apparatus series for the Olympics start?

This quad, only the 2024 world cup series will matter for Olympic qualification, which is a change from last quad where the qualifier meets began in late 2018 and continued through to 2020, with a total of eight competitions over the 18-month period. The first qualifier this quad will be the Cairo World Cup in February 2024, followed by Cottbus a week later, Doha the week after that, and then finally Baku in early March. It’s a rough schedule with all four happening directly one after another, taking place in just under a month between February 15 and March 10, and it’s also really early in the competition season, so athletes will essentially have to peak for the qualifiers and then peak again six months later for the Games. With continental championships in between, there’s basically very little time to rest, so I hope if apparatus world cups continue to act as qualifiers in the future, the FIG considers moving them a bit closer to the summer so athletes have more time to prepare.

Do you think Ellie Black can ever challenge for a world or Olympic all-around title again?

I think this would just depend on the rest of the competition she’s facing. I think the reason she was so capable of challenging for a title in 2017 was partly because she looked amazing, but also because the field was relatively weak compared to other years, giving her more of an opportunity to get on top. I think had she stuck around post-Tokyo last year she would have been in a really good place to challenge for a medal in Kitakyushu. As we get further and further into each quad, though, it generally becomes increasingly more difficult for her to factor for medals as stronger athletes enter the mix, but I think what she really has going for her is that she has remained at a pretty consistent level since 2014 or so, only really dipping when she decreases difficulty due to injuries. I think the next couple of years will have competition that may be too difficult for her to beat (largely because she is a bit behind on floor, which is what tends to hold her back) but if she has no plans to retire after Paris and is healthy enough to compete in 2025, it wouldn’t be surprising to see her as a medal contender again!

If you’d been the one making the decision, based on what was known at trials, how would you have put together the Olympic team-plus-individual roster for Tokyo? And how would you have done it if you’d somehow had foreknowledge that Simone wouldn’t be able to compete in the team final?

I would have had Simone Biles, Sunisa Lee, Jordan Chiles, and MyKayla Skinner on the team, Riley McCusker or Kara Eaker in the non-nominative spot, and then of course Jade Carey in the nominative spot, with Grace McCallum my top alternate. I think this team would have maximized individual medals while also maximizing the overall team score, so it was kind of the best of both worlds even if some things – like the bars team final lineup – weren’t perfect. 

I wasn’t against McCallum making the team over Skinner, though, and I really thought it could have gone either way between them based on their nationals and trials performances being so close. Skinner was really only my preference over McCallum because of the additional potential for vault and floor in terms of the team score, and then if either Biles or Carey had mistakes in qualifications, she would be a backup option for an apparatus final on those events. But I thought if McCallum made the team over Skinner, there was no way Skinner would go to the Olympics in any capacity aside from alternate, since it felt pointless to have a specialist doing her key events at a lower level than two other gymnasts on the team. In hindsight, it ended up being great to have her there to be able to step in and get a super unexpected vault medal after the wildest, weirdest, most unpredictable vault things happened with Biles and Carey, but without the benefit of hindsight when the team was initially selected, it was like, cool, so we’re sending someone in an individual spot who won’t qualify into any finals when there were others who had the potential to make it on bars or beam? I truly didn’t get it, and thought with McCallum on the team over Skinner, that individual spot should have gone to someone like McCusker or Eaker. But it worked out, I guess?

If I could have seen the future and knew at trials that Biles was going to get the twisties in Tokyo, I likely – sadly – wouldn’t have included Biles on the team at all, and likely would have gone with Lee, Chiles, McCallum, and Skinner, since they would have created the highest-scoring team score based on multiple competitions over the course of the season. But I also would have considered Wong a bit more after her day two trials performance. Had she done that both days, I think my team would have been Lee, Chiles, McCallum, and Wong, and then Skinner in the non-nominative spot, since without Biles it then would have only been her and Carey going for vault spots.

Who and where have all British gymnasts been for NCAA?

Well, there’s a lot, so I won’t list each and every one, but in terms of the top international elites, there were Olympians Nicola Willis and Marissa King for Florida, Rebecca Wing for Stanford, Lisa Young and Ruby Harrold for LSU, Jennifer Pinches for UCLA, and Amelie Morgan currently for Utah, as well as British Olympic alternate-turned-Jamaican Olympian Danusia Francis for UCLA.

Other notable elites include worlds team member Gabby Fuchs for Florida, junior Euros competitor and world challenge cup medalist Phoebe Jakubczyk for Oregon State, Commonwealth Games competitors Gemma Cuff for Penn State, Erin McLachlan for Rutgers, and Lucy Stanhope for Utah, and national beam champion Phoebe Turner for Iowa State. 

There have also been a ton of British gymnasts who were never members of the British national team, but who instead were standouts on the English team. These gymnasts were able to get some experience at smaller international meets like the Leverkusen Cup (a favorite for England, which typically sends a team to this competition in Germany every year) before moving on to college, and most also regularly qualified to British nationals in addition to competing at English nationals. I love that even lower-level elites in GB are able to get recognized by NCAA programs – there’s a ton of depth in the British system that goes far beyond who we see at major competitions!

Why do balance beam mounts lack variety?

I actually think it’s gotten better over the past five or so years, with more gymnasts opting to compete acro mounts and other more interesting mounts compared to the years prior when mounts were just like, you hop on and nothing else (this is thanks to mounts becoming more valuable under the 2020 code). As with any other event, there are certain skills that become more popular than others, largely because these skills have the best mix of of difficulty while also being easy enough to compete consistently. 

I feel like C mounts are most commonly used for this reason, but even with these, there are something like 20 mounts at this level and I feel like we really only see around five of them because so many of the others are kind of extra and the work that has to go into perfecting them isn’t worth the relatively low difficulty value. I think acro mounts are popular because gymnasts are used to doing skills like back handsprings and front tucks on basically every apparatus, whereas the fancier mounts – the Shushunova, the fancy press handstands with splits and pirouettes and raised arms, the planches – are more specific to beam with the way gymnastics looks today. We’re basically just not seeing athletes want to put in the extra effort to perfect these elements when they have so much else going on in their routines – which brings me to the point that these elements often take up a lot of time as well, which cuts into the time a gymnast could be using to work on more difficult acro and dance within the interior of the routine. A 15 second planche is a lot when your routine is only 90 seconds long, so why not take two seconds to do a back handspring instead?

Do you think the Rankin on beam is an under-valued element? Could a gymnast add a half twist to increase the value?

I think the Rankin – a mount that involves a jump/press on one arm to handstand – is super difficult, and definitely under-valued, as I think a lot of the non-acro mounts tend to be. I think it’s difficult for the women’s technical committee to think of non-acro in general as not being anywhere near as tough as acro, which is why turns, leaps, and non-acro mounts often feel like they’re not worth what they should be. Adding a half turn would make it super difficult, but probably still only an E max given that all mounts rated at F and G are acro. I get why the FIG thinks acro is inherently more difficult than non-acro, but I think for many gymnasts, the Rankin is a lot more difficult to learn and perfect than an equally valuable full-twisting back handspring mount, whereas a Rankin would be out of the blue for them and likely a lot more difficult to get to a solid and well-executed place. I think this should be taken into consideration more than it is, but unfortunately I think the prevailing attitude will kind of always be that acro is always harder.

Not sure if you know this, but I was curious if you may know the name or type of camera system they use to film vaults on TV broadcasts? It looks to be built onto tracks and it races down with the gymnast as they run.

Sorry, I have no idea what it’s called, but you’re right in that there is a track that extends from the start of the runway all the way down past the table, and it’s operated remotely to follow the gymnast at their exact pace from start to finish.

In the 1992 Olympic vault final, Svetlana Boginskaya was getting ready to compete her second vault, and then she turned to look at the vault number, pointed, and walked over clearly trying to change the number of the vault she was doing. Looks like the Romanian coach Octavian Belu helped her. What would have happened if she competed a vault with the incorrect number indicated?

I can’t find anything rule-wise related to this from that quad, but for as long as I can remember, the intended vault number doesn’t matter. I think it’s just kind of a formality and a heads up to the judges, but a gymnast can put up a number, compete something entirely unrelated to that number, and still get full credit with no penalty. I watched a world cup recently where the first gymnast put up the number for her intended first vault, but then didn’t change it for the second vault, and not a single gymnast to follow used it at all! I’m kind of like, do we really need this?

But I guess it’s helpful for the judges to know what to expect, even though they’re still going to use their judgment to decipher between an ambiguous shape or whether a twist was shy of rotation. For me, it’s helpful to know if a gymnast meant to do a layout but ended up having super closed hips, and then when the score comes in, I can talk about whether it was downgraded or just heavily deducted. It also really helps me differentiate between handsprings and tsuks when we’re watching gymnasts who start twisting WAY too early on handsprings to the point where it looks like a tsuk! There have been a few times where I’ve had to look back over at the board after an ambiguous vault to see what they meant to do.

If Russia does not participate at world championships this year, will they be able to compete at the Olympics in 2024?

Yes, they may still have a chance to compete in Paris, assuming the war ends or the IOC comes to some sort of resolution to allow Russian athletes to compete under a neutral flag. Right now I think the talk coming from the IOC is that athletes who actively speak up against the war could be allowed to compete, but this has the potential to be so problematic in so many ways so I’m not sure if or how they’ll go about this, but I’d be so here for Angelina Melnikova stepping up and taking a stand against Putin.

Had the rules of previous quads applied this quad, Russia would NOT have been able to get the opportunity to qualify as a team, as teams had to finish in the top 24 at the mid-quad worlds (aka this year’s worlds) in order to earn a team spot at the subsequent worlds, which is the worlds that serves as the Olympic qualifier. But this quad, this year’s worlds don’t matter for competing next year, as teams will qualify to worlds in 2023 via the continental championships instead. If the Russians are reinstated in time for Euros next year, they’ll be able to qualify to worlds and thus also to the Olympics.

Do you think that Russia, China, and the U.S. will always dominate WAG competitions? Do you think that underdogs will ever be dominant?

I think it’s been super difficult under the open-ended code of points for many smaller programs to consistently catch up to the powerhouse nations, but after nearly two decades of open-ended difficulty, smaller programs are getting closer, and I think started to prove around 2015 with the Brits getting on the podium over Russia that they’re starting to look just as strong, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see a couple of teams jump onto the “dominant” list over the next 10 or so years. The Brits winning two team medals in 2015 and then in 2021 over two different powerhouse countries (they beat Russia at worlds and then China at the Olympics six years later) shows that their program is becoming really strong, and while not exactly dominant at this point, they could be on their way if they keep building the way they have. 

The same can be said for Italy and France, which also seem to have really strong foundations as programs that create some depth beyond just the top four or five in the country. Other programs right now aren’t quite there yet, as some of the teams that got close to podiums last quad – like Japan, Germany, and Canada – kind of fluctuate in terms of their depth. When athletes retire or are injured, they’re not always capable of replacing them with gymnasts who are equally strong. Japan went from a top five team last quad to a “will they make the team final” team this quad with the loss of several veterans. They do have a massive program with a lot of talent, but when they lose their highest-level athletes to injuries or retirements, it puts them in a really precarious position when facing stronger teams. 

Do you think Ellie Black could change her beam routine to this – switch mount + switch half + Korbut, side somi, double turn + full turn, back handspring + layout, punch front tuck + straddle jump, side aerial + split jump, double pike?

I guess? I think if anything were to be changed, for me it would be the opening switch leap mount connection series since that has given her some problems in the past. Otherwise, this is similar enough to her current routine that I think the minor changes would maybe work without being too risky?

Why don’t we see switch kips more often in elite? I know they wouldn’t be worth anything in terms of difficulty or connections, but when you have gymnasts doing the random giant half to change direction after a skill, it seems like a switch kip would be a less clunky alternative.

I’m not sure! I don’t think I ever really see switch kips on high bar in general, they tend to be used more for a low bar directional change. I’ve never really thought about why we don’t see them on the high bar, but I guess since most elements come from long-hanging swings, it’s probably just easier and more efficient to maintain that long hang position. I do love a switch kip on the low bar, but I also think they’d look just as clunky and “pointless” as an orphan giant half on the high bar!

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20 thoughts on “You Asked, The Gymternet Answered

  1. It will be interesting to see if Japan/France has increased depth in a decade or so. Some of the recent success for GB has come off the back of Tweddle’s success and the subsequent increased funding for gymnastics in the UK. (and the growing popularity of the sport)

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    • Throughout history you often see Olympic host programs build and build as they get closer to their Games, and then significantly drop off for a bit as everyone who was holding out for those Games retires…we saw that with Japan post-Tokyo and I think we may see it with France post-Paris as well. But at the same time, I’m hoping that the kids watching athletes from their country competing in the Olympics are inspired to start gym or if they’re already in gymnastics, inspired to build up to higher levels. We might have a bit of a drought for both programs, but maybe 8-10 years down the line when the kids watching in 2021 and 2024 are grown there will be tons of renewed depth? I think 1996 was a massive inspiration for U.S. kids and despite the post-Atlanta drought, by 2003, the kids who were obsessed with the Mag 7 were winning gold at worlds!

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  2. I know you said why would someone move to Dallas to train at a premiere gym just for fun. But keep in mind Gabby moved to a ranch in Texas back in 2020.

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    • Oh yeah, that’s true. But still…WOGA is a little intense for a “fun” gym, and I’m pretty sure they don’t have any adult programming! Unless she’s just paying for open gym time and just conditioning on her own or something, but I don’t know, I have a feeling it’s more than that, at least to try it out.

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  3. Not to get political, but the thing about Russian gymnasts speaking against the war in order to compete is insanity. They are spoon fed disinformation (probably) much more than we are. Also, if free speech in Russia is as terrible as our media suggests, they could be thrown in a prison work camp for speaking out, which you are clearly advocating.

    Gymnasts have been cancelled on social media for supporting the war and people rarely stop to think WHY and what information they are basing their opinions on, which is likely very different than ours (and vice versa). Some values are universal, some are not, but you can bet that people are being lied to by those in power to maintain that power.

    Please consider this before asking athletes their opinions about these type of things or judging the opinions they express. We do not know what information they are going on or the consequences are if they do, or do not, share our opinions.

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    • I’m not advocating for any of this – I was simply sharing the information that’s coming from the IOC about THEIR plans for getting Russian athletes to the Olympics.

      Since the start of the war in Ukraine I have been vocal about how a vast majority of athletes are either (a) against the war but afraid of what would happen if they spoke out, or (b) fed propaganda and truly believe in their government’s message that they’re “saving Ukrainians from their own government.” I don’t fault almost any of the Russian athletes for their beliefs or silence, with the exception of Nikita Nagornyy and Ivan Kuliak, who have both expressed violent and extremist views about the war.

      In terms of the IOC’s sanctions workaround, it’s quite frankly very stupid. Sanctions exist for a reason, yet the IOC caves to Russia every single time, which is how we ended up with a child figure skater failing doping tests and still allowed to compete in Beijing despite dozens of doping sanctions against the Russians over the past decade. In terms of the war sanctions, the IOC either needs to ban Russia outright or let them compete, none of this wishy-washy in-between nonsense – this “only athletes who speak out against the war” compromise is idiotic and if it goes through, it will prove once again the IOC is Russia’s bitch.

      I personally would love to see Russian athletes in Paris 2024, but I also believe in sanctions as a means to an end in terms of getting an aggressor to pull back or reconsider. Whether economic, travel, sports, and so on, the sanctions are against the government, not against individual citizens – however, unfortunately, it is usually the individuals who suffer the most, and in the case of sports sanctions, it’s the athletes who are hit the hardest. Supporting general sanctions does not mean that I assume every athlete who loses out on competitive opportunities is pro-war and deserves to be punished, but sanctions are entirely pointless if you half-ass them like the IOC is suggesting where only some anti-war athletes will be allowed to compete. It needs to be all or nothing.

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      • Have to wonder how the Russian authorities would handle that if it came to that, though, since it’s a little more to ask of them than just having the athletes compete under a neutral flag — they’d essentially have to concede to letting their athletes publicly oppose the war so they could compete, and that seems like a lose-lose for Russia. I mean, they could always give them a nominally anti-war canned statement to recite (which seems like the most likely way for them to exploit the loophole), but even that might be a bridge too far for Putin.

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        • Yeah, I think since the athletes are essentially Putin’s puppets and essentially even work for him in a way in representing Russia, I don’t think there’s any way he’d let them be even remotely against this war, even if they are just personally anti-war. If anything, they’d probably force an anti-war athlete to say “well, I am personally anti-war but THIS war is NECESSARY” or some other BS. Even if Putin REALLY wants athletes to compete, I just don’t think there’s any feasible way he would justify having them undermine his entire message for that opportunity. If anything, he’ll probably use this whole situation to be like “SEE? THE WORLD OPPRESSES US!” and gain more public support at home.

          An athlete could always speak out against the state on their own, there’s no way any athlete who goes against the message would still be able to train in a state-sponsored program. They’d probably have to leave the country and train elsewhere and expect to basically never return home, which is a lot. I know a lot of Russian athletes have connections with international clubs (like Artur Dalaloyan in Bundesliga, several athletes in the Italian Serie A, and there’s even big connections to the U.S. for some Russian gyms – WOGA used to host Diana Kustova and Anna Kalmykova every year until COVID hit) so I’m sure someone wanting to “defect” and still represent Russia could take those steps…but then would the Russian state system still be the one in charge of sending athletes to the Olympics? Because that would negate the whole purpose of defecting I think!

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        • Yeah, I meant specifically in terms of exploiting the loophole you mentioned. I agree that it’s a real loophole and there’s no reason the IOC should be leaving a loophole at all, but at the same time it kind of seems like it might kind of be irrelevant in a practical sense because Russia is unlikely to let anyone actually USE the loophole this time.

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  4. If Angelina Melnikova spoke up against the war she would accidentally fall out of a window from a very high floor. I follow the news. It’s uncanny how many “friends” of Vlad the impaler who expressed a difference of opinion accidentally fell out of a window. Am incredibly amazing coincidence. I wouldn’t recommend that course of action for her.

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  5. Love these “you asked” posts. I especially liked hearing the answer to the Rebecca Bross question. It’s good to know she was making the decision to compete the Patterson.
    Thanks so much!!!

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    • Thank you! I know, back in 2012 I think EVERYONE assumed Valeri Liukin was forcing her to do it and was like why won’t he just change it?!

      When I asked her about it I even phrased it kind of like that, like why doesn’t your coach help work out a different dismount? and that’s when she told me about how she was really stubborn about wanting to keep it. I loved how honest she was with her Olympic stuff, it felt like she knew from the moment she injured her knee in 2011 that she wasn’t going to make it. I still held out hope for a LONG time, but she seemed very realistic and smart about it. It was also nice to hear it directly from her, too. Of course there’s always the chance that was a line she was fed or something BUT it seemed like it was genuinely coming from her, it was one of the better interview conversations I’ve had.

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  6. As for the 1992 vault thing; under that code, the judges evaluate the vault performed and not the vault whose number is flashed. Then there is a 0.3 deduction for flashing the wrong number.
    example:
    Vault flashed: #4.91 Stretched Yurchenko w/ full turn – 10.0
    Vault performed: #4.61 Tucked Yurchenko w/ full turn – 9.90
    -vault evaluated from 9.90 sv and an additional 0.3 is deducted from score.

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  7. RE: Flashing incorrect vault #s
    Probably my biggest pet peeve about 90’s vault competition is Gina Gogean. Through 1994 her second vault was a pretty powerful piked cuervo(9.9). Then, in 1995, she suddenly started doing a second vault she called a “Phelps” or a Tsukahara entry to a 1/2 turn off the horse to a front layout(10.0).
    Obvi. what made this vault hard doing a 1/2 twist before being able to initiate the front layout and most girls were piking it around…hi Simona ::waves:: However, Gina didn’t even pretend to do a 1/2 off front layout. She totes did a Tsuk layout 1/2. Hell, sometimes, it looked like she purposefully delayed the 1/2 so it happened in the last possible second. She did a completely different vault than the one she flashed every single vault final.
    In fact, if you watch her warm up her second vault, she actually does a Tsukahara layout while other girls doing the same vault all warm up 1/2-on 1/2-off timers.
    I’m Romanian American and I adore Gina. However, she didn’t really deserve any of her medals on vault after 1994. Roza just couldn’t catch a break.

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  8. I dont recall the detail completely, but i think Pavlova got 0.1 off from her SV from flashing the wrong vault number. This is at the 05-08 CoP, so it’s recent-ish. But I can’t fact check it. No, its not the famous wrong greenlight vault situation lol. I think she flashed DTY but attempted the Amanar or she flashed Amanar but only did DTY.

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    • Oh, could have been that recent then…I feel like I haven’t seen it be an issue in the past 10 years at least so going back to the 2012 code? Maybe after 2008 is when it changed. I wish I had a brain for remembering all of this!

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