27 thoughts on “2020 European Championships Results”

1. The judges are apparently not as happy about Larisa’s return as everyone else is. Her E scores just seemed really low in comparison to everyone else. She still produced the best performance overall for the entire competition, but I felt that she was scored more strictly than others.

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   • Any idea on how and why the judges initially ‘lost’ 0.4 on her FX D score during the EF ? I’d say her Memmel was short but I am not sure … It must be a dance element that was judged doubttfull. Her Gomez was good . Maybe the Gogean ?.

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     • To me eye Larisa fell out of the Gomez (heel dropped) so I think this would have been downgraded to a triple which is a c element

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     • To me eye Larisa fell out of the Gomez (heel dropped) so I think this would have been downgraded to a triple which is a c element

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2. So in order for Larisa to qualify for 2021 Olympics, she would have to place top two in the AA at Euros 2021 in 4 months? If so, if we used her AA during ef she had a 54.9 I believe. 2019 Euro’s AA top two were 55.433 and 55.365… So she is close in there. Many are bringing upgrades, what do you think her chances are? Or is there another way to qualify?

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   • I think Russia will get one of the two spots. If Urazova and Listunova are as good as they look in some of the training videos I’ve seen, along with what they were doing before the pandemic and stay healthy, I don’t really see them being beaten at Euros and since there are two of them, Russia has a buffer in case one performs poorly. Beyond that, there actually isn’t too much else. Gadirova is a great up and comer for Great Britain, but her bars are so much weaker than her other 3 events that I don’t know if she can overcome that to clinch a spot. Amelie Morgan however is super balanced across all four events and she wasn’t at Stuttgart, so if she’s healthy she can definitley challenge. I think Letrange (?) from France is a legitimate threat, but I’m not very familiar with the new French seniors so I could be wrong. As for Larisa herself, this is her first international meet and second meet overall since she ruptured her Achilles in 2017. I think that we can expect vault to be cleaned up a bit, bars and beam have room for easy upgrades for her and while I’m not sure how much her Achilles can take on floor, she can at the very least clean up a lot on landings even if there’s not much more she can do in terms of difficulty. I don’t think I’m missing anyone, so basically Russia is practically guaranteed a spot barring disaster, leaving Larisa with Great Britain and France as her primary worries.

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   • If you’re using the results from Euros in 2019, Melanie De Jesus Dos Santos and Ellie Downie wouldn’t be eligible to qualify for the Olympics because they helped qualify their teams to the Olympics via worlds. The two who would have qualified using this as an example would be Anastasiia Bachynska (5th place, 53.133, nominative individual spot) and Angelina Simakova (9th place, 51.465, non-nominative berth for Russia) because everyone else in the rankings was either part of the team qualifying or qualified individually. In this case, Larisa has a really strong shot at qualifying with the scores she got at Euros this year.

     That being said, Russia has two gymnasts they can send to Euros next year who can outscore Larisa, so I think if they send Viktoriia Listunova and/or Vlada Urazova, they’ll secure one non-nominative spot pretty easily. Larisa seems to me like she’ll be a lock for the second spot, as I think everyone else hoping to qualify individually via Euros is at a much lower level, but I’m sure all of the top countries with full teams are going to attempt to find their strongest all-arounders who weren’t at worlds so they can also secure a non-nominative spot, in which case Larisa could have some competition. I still think Larisa is the strongest, but you never know…someone like Jennifer Gadirova could show up for Great Britain with all of her fabulous upgrades be in that 54+ range in which case Larisa could be in jeopardy.

     At this time, this is Larisa’s only way to qualify. She still has some room for growth on beam and floor in terms of what she was competing before, so hopefully she can get those upgrades back and it will be easier for her to secure a spot.

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     • I don’t recall if spots are given based on qualifications or finals, but her qualification score would have put her third in qualifying, with the top two (Melnikova and De Jesus Dos Santos) being ineligible. And if you take her best score on each event, you get a total of 55.216 (I know that’s mixing up qualifications and finals, but since there wasn’t an AA final, we’re already pulling pieces together from different events anyway), which would have put her in third in the 2019 AA, with the top two again being ineligible. And given that Larisa’s only been back in competition for literally a month, there’s no reason to think she won’t be able to add a few tenths (in difficulty and/or execution) by April.

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       • It’s supposed to be the all-around final, but because Euros this year didn’t have an all-around final, they were going to allow qualifications to count. But Euros next year DOES have an AA final, so it will be the final in 2021.

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       • Scratch that, I mixed up something when I did the math the first time, it would actually be a 55.349 with the best score on each event. Still puts her in third in the AA but by a much narrower margin.

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     • Not that this detail is important or anything, but Simakova would have also been ineligible, as Russia qualified already in 2018 and she was there.

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       • Oh yes! Totally forgot she was on that team.

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     • Lauren you wrote ‘ That being said, Russia has two gymnasts they can send to Euros next year who can outscore Larisa, so I think if they send Viktoriia Listunova and/or Vlada Urazova, they’ll secure one non-nominative spot pretty easily.’ – I still find the qualifications confusing, but wouldn’t Russia want these two girls on the actual 4 person team or at least one of them?

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       • If a team qualified for the Olympics, the additional spots gained through continental championships go to the country, not the individual. So if Larisa were to place top two at Euros, the spot is Larisa’s. But if Vladislava places top two, then the spot goes to Russia and they decide who gets that spot.

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       • They can still compete at the Olympics as part of the four-person team even if they qualify a non-nominative spot for Russia at Euros.

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       • You shouldn’t worry too much about finding the qualification process confusing. It took mostly everyone 2 or 3 years (me including of course) to figure out what FIG meant or wanted …. (and do they know ?).
         We had in 2015 one of the biggest FIG fiasco ever in this sport with Iordache not qualifying directly to the Olympics after her AA bronze at the Glasgow Worlds and I am pretty confident we’ll have other upset next year with the monster process they created for Tokyo … (and what if Brazil has been third as a team in 2018 … would Spain have qualified last year ? etc. etc.)

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   • Apart from those mentionned (one of the two russians, one of the two GBs, Mouakit-Letrange), I think Martina Maggio has a legetimate shot as well.
     NB: a recent test in France had Mouakit-Letrange 2nd at 55.20. Take one point off because … well .. national judging … it’s still promising.
     Given what she showed at Euros and all the circumstances I’d put Iordache as one of the favourites for a ticket.
     Other contenders, but ONLY if other top contenders make costly mistakes could be Bachynska, Ferrari (apparently back on all 4 … ) Carolann Héduit, Sophie Scheder and Sfiringu.

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     • I don’t think Heduit or Scheder really have a shot at finishing top two. As for Sfiringu, she’d have to hit four for four as perfectly as she can to contend and even if she did get it, it likely wouldn’t jeapordize Iordache’s chances at the Olympics because the spot would go to Romania, not Sfiringu.

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       • No if Sfiringu gets it then Sfiringu goes. The spot is nominative for teams that qualified but tied to the individual if the team (Romania) does not qualify.

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       • What about Stanciulescu? I know she looked as Romania’s 3rd gymnast in Mersin, but in my opinon she’s the most talented one. Normally she’s better than Sfiringu.

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   • I don’t know, are the already qualified teams taking into account? Cause if it only comes to the countries that didn’t qualify a team, Larisa’s biggest rivals are Stanciulescu and Sfiringu. Maybe the Ukrainians too, but she easily beats them.

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     • I actually think Stanciulescu is ROU’s number two gymnast in terms of potential, but she suffers from horrible routine construction. Her beam is amazing when she hits, but it’s overly dependent on connections that she makes only half the time. Her bars have good swing and form, but she struggles with handstands and catching way too close on same bar releases, yet they have her doing 3 same bar releases, all of which cause dead hangs and loss of rhythm and makes the handstand problem worse when she kips up from them. Her vault is actually really good when she hits though it needs work and I think her floor is typically underscored, I absolutely love her floor work.

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     • 2021 Euros are wide open to all teams, even those that qualified a full team. The only caveat is that you cannot have helped qualify your team to the Olympics.
       These gymnasts are out:
       Russia 2018: Akhaimova, Alexeeva (retired), Melnikova, Mustafina, Simakova
       Italy: Carofiglio, Asia, Alice, Iorio, Villa
       France : Boyer, Charpy, MDJDS, Friess, Pontlevoy
       Great Britain: Becky, Elllie, Fenton, James, Kinsella
       Netherlands: Thorsdottier, Visser, Volleman, Lieke, Sanne
       Germany: Bui, Petz, Schafer, Seitz, Voss
       Belgium: Brassart, Daveloose, Derwael, Deriks (retired), Vansteenkiste
       Spain: Gonzalez, Perez, Petisco, Popa, Rodriguez
       Steingruber (SUI),Varinska (UKR), Kovacs (HUN), Holasova (CEZ), Holbura (ROU), Hammerle (AUS), Alistratava (BLR), Savranbasi (TUR), Martins (POR), Derek (CRO), Adlerteg (SWE), Janik (POL), Raz (ISR), Erichsen (NOR), Nekrasova (AZE)

       Anyone not listed can compete for a spot. Iordache is definitely in the hunt. Asst. Russians, Gadirova from GBR, Morgan from GBR, Motak from UKR, Bachynska from UKR
       The good news for Iordache is that only 3 countries can realistically beat her. Ukraine, Russia, Great Britain. So she has to just beat two countries in the AA rank to qualify, individuals don’t matter as a country can only get one spot. She could finish 3rd AA and still get to go if the two before her are from the same country. Anything lower than 3rd and she is eliminated.

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3. I really think this year’s ‘fake euros’ has a better-quality beam final than either of the ‘real euros’ in 2019 or 2018! How cool is that!

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   • Yes, it was a good one! I felt the same way about some of the MAG events…no one fell on pommels!!!

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4. Fake-Euros was great execution wise. Also, when will this meet be added to the top scores of 2020 (I know it like just happened and I’m not tryna pressure you just curious lol).

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